Ironhide wrote:It has an assault cannon that is TL + Heavy 8 + pinning. Who cares if you can't assault out of it when you deploy, you can still put 16 models in the thing. To include bikes; as if they weren't already fast enough. The armor on the thing ain't too bad either.
It's also a 18in range.... Sure it is a fast vehicle but compare it to what competitive space marine lists take: autocannon dreds (125pts for 4x tl st 7 48in range shots), dakka dakka preds (85pts for the auto cannon and 2x hbolters also 48in-36in range) and my fav the las/twin plas razorback (1x las cannon and a twin plas for 75pts). Why would u want or need a tank (which is pritty much what it's ment to be) for close range shooting when u can just take long range shots to get rid of whatever u could shoot anyway?
What's going to happen is people will take a bunch and then not go first and the person they play against will just do any result on it to get them to be useless the next turn. There is 2gun systems so wep destroyed sux if it happens. imobalized?really sux with that whole 18in range. Shakens not that bad just because u can get into possition but with the new faster rhinos u can do the same thing for reg dudes for way less points. Stunned is probly the most annoying result for it, I mean common do u want terminators stuck in it from 1x shot? No...that's why u take land raiders for the extra armor! Or u do drop pods for the whole alpha strike in your face idea.
And the whole ability to deep strike it? On average it will come in on turn 3 so whatever you take (besides jpacks) won't be able to assault till turn 4ish and the shooting isn't THAT scary.
The best use for it that I see is to use 2 for troop choices and only 2 so that in a dusk and dawn mission u can out gun someone without them doing much.
If u could jump out and assault then I'd say it's great but I'd probly rate it below both the rhazorback, rhino, then it, then drop pod and finnaly the land raider for transport (in that order) just because of what the other things can do.
But hey that's my first impression of it, might be wrong might be right... Who knows?
I'm feeling a drop pod dred army myself along with jpack guys just because I have just about everything already...or the rhino rush of 2010.
we had a guy who played a GK raider list in a 2250 turny... It wasn't pritty for him (he went 0-2-1 I think).