He has now lied to two people it would seem about shipping. I have waited long enough now it is his turn to suffer. I sound harsh but I will not alow him to do this to any one else. As far as I am concerned I have given him the BOTD more than he deseverd already. My time for action is now I have stayed dorment for to long.
Heath
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MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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KT, with all due respect, I know you work for the post office. I know you know more about the postal service than I do.
What i CAN offer you is knowledge from a consumer point of view... and, honestly, I've learned that it is often (not always) more valuable than knowledge from an employee point of view.
In shipping, as in banking (my field), the experience of the customer will often show things that an employees expereince will not.
Between eBay and Btown, I have shipped hundreds of packages. About 90% of those have used a D.C.
In every single solitary incidence, in two states and a half dozen post offices (minimum), I have never EVER sent a package with D.C. where the clerk DIDN'T scan the ticket. They HAVE to scan it to charge me, because the cost goes on my receipt (along with the D.C. number). On EVERY occasion, I have used the confirmation and it has ALWAYS shown up in the system. In addition to that, I have received untold numbers of packages in trades & eBay purchases where D.C. was used... in EVERY INSTANCE, I checked the D.C. number and EVERY TIME it was there.
Now, you say, yourself, that the goal is for 100% scanning... That is the basis I am going on. Anything else is considered an error.
Additionally, you use a lot of different "if's."
The wording of the guy's email to Ted, specifically the phrase, "I think I just filled out the wrong from at the post office." indicates that he visited a clerk. The rest of your possibilities are unimportant in this discussion, as we are discussing this incident and not every possibility.
I asked my brother, who is a Mail Carrier, and his words to me were that, "every package is supposed to be scanned when it is received and when it is delivered. Now, this doesn't always happen, but it is SUPPOSED to."
...and that it what I'm referring to... what is SUPPOSED to happen, not what people do in error (or laziness, or whatever).
Eric
What i CAN offer you is knowledge from a consumer point of view... and, honestly, I've learned that it is often (not always) more valuable than knowledge from an employee point of view.
In shipping, as in banking (my field), the experience of the customer will often show things that an employees expereince will not.
Between eBay and Btown, I have shipped hundreds of packages. About 90% of those have used a D.C.
In every single solitary incidence, in two states and a half dozen post offices (minimum), I have never EVER sent a package with D.C. where the clerk DIDN'T scan the ticket. They HAVE to scan it to charge me, because the cost goes on my receipt (along with the D.C. number). On EVERY occasion, I have used the confirmation and it has ALWAYS shown up in the system. In addition to that, I have received untold numbers of packages in trades & eBay purchases where D.C. was used... in EVERY INSTANCE, I checked the D.C. number and EVERY TIME it was there.
Now, you say, yourself, that the goal is for 100% scanning... That is the basis I am going on. Anything else is considered an error.
Additionally, you use a lot of different "if's."
The wording of the guy's email to Ted, specifically the phrase, "I think I just filled out the wrong from at the post office." indicates that he visited a clerk. The rest of your possibilities are unimportant in this discussion, as we are discussing this incident and not every possibility.
I asked my brother, who is a Mail Carrier, and his words to me were that, "every package is supposed to be scanned when it is received and when it is delivered. Now, this doesn't always happen, but it is SUPPOSED to."
...and that it what I'm referring to... what is SUPPOSED to happen, not what people do in error (or laziness, or whatever).
Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
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Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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JohnHwangBT ( 180 )
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FWIW, I use the APCs (Automated Postal Centers) a *lot*, as they are available 24/7 and take credit cards without any hassle.
I always ship with DC#. In my experience, they are scanned upon delivery, but not necessarily upon receipt or in-transit. I believe it may make a difference which PO you use, and that some POs do not scan packages upon receipt.
The guy who said he could get a DC to Canada was clearly lying. All you can get is "Proof of Sending", basically a postmarked date, time, weight and destination for $1. If sending outside the US, there will be a receipt for the customs form, and each customs form is individually numbered.
As for NOT going to the police, that is stupidity. If the guy is committing mail fraud (theft), then a friendly reminder from the police is a good thing. If he's simply messed up, then that friendly reminder is still a good thing.
The idea of waiting "a couple weeks" is also mistaken. My general expectation is turnaround within 2 business days of receipt of payment / goods. I.e. if you get my stuff on Monday, you had better be shipping Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest. Personally, my objective is Next Business Morning (i.e. if I get stuff on Monday, I ship out Tuesday morning). So the idea of waiting "a couple of weeks" is excessive.
I always ship with DC#. In my experience, they are scanned upon delivery, but not necessarily upon receipt or in-transit. I believe it may make a difference which PO you use, and that some POs do not scan packages upon receipt.
The guy who said he could get a DC to Canada was clearly lying. All you can get is "Proof of Sending", basically a postmarked date, time, weight and destination for $1. If sending outside the US, there will be a receipt for the customs form, and each customs form is individually numbered.
As for NOT going to the police, that is stupidity. If the guy is committing mail fraud (theft), then a friendly reminder from the police is a good thing. If he's simply messed up, then that friendly reminder is still a good thing.
The idea of waiting "a couple weeks" is also mistaken. My general expectation is turnaround within 2 business days of receipt of payment / goods. I.e. if you get my stuff on Monday, you had better be shipping Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest. Personally, my objective is Next Business Morning (i.e. if I get stuff on Monday, I ship out Tuesday morning). So the idea of waiting "a couple of weeks" is excessive.
Feedback as "JohnHwangBT" on Bartertown
Any Negatives or Neutrals? *You* ship first, regardless of rating!
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kturock ( 592 )
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like i said, if you take the item to the window, and pay at the counter, the clerk MUST scan the item. the pos 1 unit will not let him/her to continue without scanning. but, if they purchase postage at an apc, or online at home via click-n-ship or paypal, they can walk up to a window clerk and hand them the package. the clerk can scan it or can just drop it in the container for that type of mail. both are correct procedure based upon the the office.MagickalMemories wrote:KT, with all due respect, I know you work for the post office. I know you know more about the postal service than I do.
What i CAN offer you is knowledge from a consumer point of view... and, honestly, I've learned that it is often (not always) more valuable than knowledge from an employee point of view.
In shipping, as in banking (my field), the experience of the customer will often show things that an employees expereince will not.
Between eBay and Btown, I have shipped hundreds of packages. About 90% of those have used a D.C.
In every single solitary incidence, in two states and a half dozen post offices (minimum), I have never EVER sent a package with D.C. where the clerk DIDN'T scan the ticket. They HAVE to scan it to charge me, because the cost goes on my receipt (along with the D.C. number). On EVERY occasion, I have used the confirmation and it has ALWAYS shown up in the system. In addition to that, I have received untold numbers of packages in trades & eBay purchases where D.C. was used... in EVERY INSTANCE, I checked the D.C. number and EVERY TIME it was there.
Now, you say, yourself, that the goal is for 100% scanning... That is the basis I am going on. Anything else is considered an error.
Additionally, you use a lot of different "if's."
The wording of the guy's email to Ted, specifically the phrase, "I think I just filled out the wrong from at the post office." indicates that he visited a clerk. The rest of your possibilities are unimportant in this discussion, as we are discussing this incident and not every possibility.
I asked my brother, who is a Mail Carrier, and his words to me were that, "every package is supposed to be scanned when it is received and when it is delivered. Now, this doesn't always happen, but it is SUPPOSED to."
...and that it what I'm referring to... what is SUPPOSED to happen, not what people do in error (or laziness, or whatever).
Eric
1 million of pieces mail per night per area, is common. thats why 100% is the goal. thats why 98% is an acceptable ammount.
it's hard to believe unless you work there but, for a nationwide company, with hunderds of thousands of offices, and uniform rules, no two offices do things the same way; even in the same area.
i feel that a knowledgable customer/consumer, is the best type. they know what they want and what they can and can't have, get, do.
so anytime i see or hear someone say, that this can be done at the PO, and i know it's wrong, i have to correct it.
please understand, that in no way is this an attack at you, but, a way for me to TRY to let more people know how things work at usps.
no, little gnomes don't come in at night and hand carry your prescious item from point a to point b. more and more is handled by machines.. the gorilla from the old american tourister luggage is a whimp comared to the hp they generate.
the biggest reason to ship via usps over the other companies; mail fraud is a federal crime, thats federal inspectors. theft of anything from ups, dhl, fed ex is only a local crime and has to be prosecuted by the state attorney's office in that state. good luck crossing state lines.
theft of US mail is a 5 year jail sentence, federal jail, AND a $5000 fine PER item. so 2 items not shipped is 10 years hard time and $10k. the postal inspectors are equal to the FBI; federal marshals. they have no sense of humor. it's surgically removed when they take their oath.
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MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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Not for me. I work for US bank, one of the top 10 banks in the US, and I used to work for Wachovia (one of the top 5). I know exactly what you're referring to.it's hard to believe unless you work there but, for a nationwide company, with hunderds of thousands of offices, and uniform rules, no two offices do things the same way; even in the same area.
Ah... but what I said wasn't wrong. You were, simply, filling in blanks based on assumptions.so anytime i see or hear someone say, that this can be done at the PO, and i know it's wrong, i have to correct it.
I said what I did, leaving blanks that didn't need filling because of what had already been said... the detailt were implied, based on an earlier post.
I don't doubt you one single bit about what goes on behind the scenes, acceptable vs goal, etc... I was simply stating that what I said was 100% true and accurate, based on the specifics of the situation... not the many generalities and possibilities that exist.
None was taken. I was simply voicing the fact that what I said was correct.please understand, that in no way is this an attack at you, but, a way for me to TRY to let more people know how things work at usps.
That's good to know. I had no idea. I (like most, likely) just presumed that it was mail, or sorts, and fell under the same general umbrella.the biggest reason to ship via usps over the other companies; mail fraud is a federal crime, thats federal inspectors. theft of anything from ups, dhl, fed ex is only a local crime
Does it vary if they fail to ship at all and never say HOW they will be shipping? What if they say they will ship via UPS but don't? What if they say they'll ship (but not how), but the OTHER person ships via USPS? I presume that WOULD qualify as, essentially, they're receiving stolen goods via US Mail?
Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Mospaeda ( 66 )
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What is this? Some kind of Nerd-off?
This is getting silly guys
This is getting silly guys
Please contact me at titanversustitan@hotmail.com
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MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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*I* am not a nerd... I am a geek, thankyouverymuch.
If it's silly, why are you reading it?
I find it informative.
Eric
... though we HAVE gone off topic quite a bit, by now... Any further discussions on this part really SHOULD go via PM's.
If it's silly, why are you reading it?
I find it informative.
Eric
... though we HAVE gone off topic quite a bit, by now... Any further discussions on this part really SHOULD go via PM's.
Lower rating? You ship first.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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TedMcDonald ( 2 )
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The "benefit of the doubt" has been given from me for a couple weeks now. He has $500 worth of my stuff, and going to the Police is harsh yes, but it's completely unfair what this guy is doing to us and others.
I am very new at trading(being a little suspisious) and this is really putting a BIG damper on the whole game itself for me.
We do this "trusting" our fellow man, and hopefully they have the morals and honour enough to do the right thing.
Mark seems to have none of these qualities. So he'll pay, and if it means me losing my Full Dark Angels Battle Company to him, I'll see it happen.
(sorry all, just real pissed, guy's lucky I dont live in the states, I would take a little trip to meet him)
Ted
I am very new at trading(being a little suspisious) and this is really putting a BIG damper on the whole game itself for me.
We do this "trusting" our fellow man, and hopefully they have the morals and honour enough to do the right thing.
Mark seems to have none of these qualities. So he'll pay, and if it means me losing my Full Dark Angels Battle Company to him, I'll see it happen.
(sorry all, just real pissed, guy's lucky I dont live in the states, I would take a little trip to meet him)
Ted
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kturock ( 592 )
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some of this should go to pm.. some is knowledge that should be a must read for all new traders.MagickalMemories wrote:*I* am not a nerd... I am a geek, thankyouverymuch.
If it's silly, why are you reading it?
I find it informative.
Eric
... though we HAVE gone off topic quite a bit, by now... Any further discussions on this part really SHOULD go via PM's.
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Morlock-Bloodletter ( 34 )
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IF ANYTHING the topic of USPS should go to a NEW THREAD... maybe in the MISC Section.
Bad Eric, you know better than to thread-jack!!!
And anyone going to acknowledge the "new trader" who came on here to defend the bad trader? I mean that normally doesn't happen every time a BTR shows up...
Magical mystery newbie comes on to defend a reported bad trader in an attempt to lessen the damage.... yeesh.
Bad Eric, you know better than to thread-jack!!!
And anyone going to acknowledge the "new trader" who came on here to defend the bad trader? I mean that normally doesn't happen every time a BTR shows up...
Magical mystery newbie comes on to defend a reported bad trader in an attempt to lessen the damage....
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kturock ( 592 )
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umm which new trader are you refering? i've been trading here from before the new system, i have refs from 1999. unfortunatelty i can't get adam to combine my account with the 1 from a defunct isp. i have over 50 rating on that account. i got out of gw, 40k, whfb for about 4 years.. and b-town went from adam's university server to a .com
http://www.bartertown.com/ref/index.php?name=boragine
http://www.bartertown.com/ref/index.php?name=boragine
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Morlock-Bloodletter ( 34 )
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mouthfanmd
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Hi,
I know I'm new here but I've been lurking for awhile and since I was bored today I decided to check out the bad trader forum.
Anyway, I have traded with this guy before and I didn't have a problem. The minatures were slow to arrive but they did arrive and I was happy with the trade. He is, however, hard to contact so it was frustrating working with him. I got the feeling that he was a bit shelfish and was looking out for himself first and once he got his minis the trade sort of took a backseat to other things. However, given enough time I'm sure you'll get your stuff.
Also, I think going to the police is a little harsh. Did you ever think that maybe stuff got lost in the mail (which has happened to me before)? Personally, I'd give this guy the benefit of the doubt for at least a couple more weeks before calling in the cops.
Just my thoughts-
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MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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IF ANYTHING the topic of USPS should go to a NEW THREAD... maybe in the MISC Section.
First of all, *I* have over a 100 rating. *YOU* have a measley little 12, as of my writing this.
Why should *I* listen to *YOU*?
Who do you think you are?
A moderator or admin or somethin...
Huh?
What?
You ARE an admin?
Umm... I know that. I was just kidding.
No. Seriously. I was.
<--- I WAS going to use this smiley, but I was not sure if it was supposed to be pinnochio or a smiley with an erection!You're right. Ido. When I realized JUST how off topic it had gotten, I shut up, too. My big thing was that I wanted the guy to know that what the "shipper" had told him was obviously false.Bad Eric, you know better than to thread-jack!!!
You know, in all the shipping discussion, I absolutely missed that one.And anyone going to acknowledge the "new trader" who came on here to defend the bad trader? I mean that normally doesn't happen every time a BTR shows up...
Magical mystery newbie comes on to defend a reported bad trader in an attempt to lessen the damage.... yeesh.
You know that, had I noticed it, I'd have pounced.
I saw your latest post, though... Yeah... Lurking... Tee hee hee... And, oddly enough, THAT is the only post he's made. I'm TOTALLY convinced.
Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Morlock-Bloodletter ( 34 )
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Yea odd that I only have a rating of 12.... I guess I am a horder... I keep my shizz.
See and, it never ceases to amaze me that in almost every BTR we always have a non-member 'lurker' who posts in the defense of the bad trader right as the words "contact local police department' come up.
Coincidence? Irony? Bullshit?
At any rate I am having to wonder why kobeblackcat hasn't stopped in to say hi in his own words.
See and, it never ceases to amaze me that in almost every BTR we always have a non-member 'lurker' who posts in the defense of the bad trader right as the words "contact local police department' come up.
Coincidence? Irony? Bullshit?
At any rate I am having to wonder why kobeblackcat hasn't stopped in to say hi in his own words.