2015 Bartertown Members Painting Challenge!!!

[MagickalMemories]

I don't have the FW books, so I don't know.
I'd imagine it almost would HAVE to have a points value around somewhere.
Anyone?

Eric

[3eland]

275 points before options.

And the rules for that piece are awesome.

The (free but experiemental) rules for it courtesy of Forgeworld can be found in their download section here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fwDownloads

[MagickalMemories]

So, there we go.
It's got a points value.

Thanks, 3e.

Eric

[edit]
I call bullsh**. There's NO WAY that thing's only worth 275 points. It's easily 400+ points.

[3eland]

Well when you buy the guns for the placements (it does not come with any in its profile), and anything extra (like the Comms relay) you will hit 400+ points no problem.

Also remember this is "meant" for HH and experimental. Eventually it will have a "set" value.

If we are basing the points off of how many points it costs in game then I would say the thing to be worth around 15 points. But then a Harridan would be worth around 50 LOL.

I'd say it has the same surface area as a big baddie so I wouldn't be opposed to 15 points.

It's 2'x2', has 4 bunkers (1 bunker being two stories), the ground, and 5 weapon placements (although I do not think it naturally comes with the guns?). Lot's to paint.


Ryan

[HawtFist]

I don't know if it is an issue at this point, but if we are talking about points to assign it for the purposes of this challenge, I think 10-15 points is fair. It looks like he put a ton of work into it. If we aren't arguing about that, then I withdraw my comment.

[3eland]

That picture is from Forgeworld. Although after seeing the work Eric can put out I wouldn't be surprised if it looked better than the Forgeworld picture.

10-15 points definitely seems a reasonable range.

But yes, points to assign it for this challenge.

[hapotte]

I would go for 15 points for it.

[MagickalMemories]

I'd propose less. Like 12... no more than 13.
While it IS large, the truth is that there is a lot of flat space on it with no small details to be overly attentive to. The majority of paint work on that example is stuff they did themselves (like the hazard stripes).

Re: points (in game)
3e... it's still worth 400, as is. With the # of bunkers, the Invulnerable save, the +@ cover save for G2G AND the 50% deep strike hazard withing 12"rule... *F* that!

...and, not to disappoint, hapotte... but mine won't look that good. Terrain sees a beating in our group, so it doesn't get the same level of attention as individual minis might (which I'll be having more of soon, as well!).

[3eland]

Well the 50% deep strike hazard rule is an upgrade too.

If you compare it to the stronghold book:

An imperial bunker (AV14) is 55 points. So the bunkers total would cost 220 points. The Defensive Structure isn't even worth much since a normal crater (you know those silly craters GW sells for tons of money) gives the same +2 to save when you go to ground inside them - and they are free terrain. The 5+ invul save for the bunkers and those inside the bunkers as well as the 3+ invul of those behind the Gate Barriers would be maybe another 75 points. The Gate Barriers only give the invul when they are raised (start the game raised) but in order to exit or enter the stronghold you have to lower them. Also if the tacticus bunker is destroyed then no Shields! Also the invul is only against shooting, your armour or cover will usually be better (unless you face Tau which you will need the invul if they rid your cover save OR vs. Ignore Cover high AP weapons) so it isn't that great of a difference (NOTE** This is if you use a Space Marine Army which the Stronghold was originally used by fluff wise***).

So even before the upgrades (Comm relay, the hostile signal jammer) and the gun emplacements, the total would be most likely around the 300 mark realistically. So 275 isn't too far off. Remember the point cost is experimental, it will most likely raise to somewhere around 300, max 350.

Comparing this all to the Stronghold Reach book any way.

Buildings are stupid cheap. That is why my Sisters never leave home without a Quad Gun Bastion. Need some anti-air and the AV14 is tough to crack.

12 points is fair. If everyone agrees on it we can add it to the list (Realm of Battle pieces all worth the same?).

[MagickalMemories]

I wouldn't think ALL RoB should be the same. All FW RoB, sure. Many/most of the GW RoB tiles from the initial set are too easy to paint to be worth 12.
I'd say go with 12 - 15 (situationally) for FW RoB boards (some have a ton more detail on them than others) and wait to see if it matters for GW RoB.

As for the rules... keep in mind that those silly GW craters aren't 2x2 in size and you can only HAPPEN to get them in your deployment zone. You can't buy them for your army.
Lowering the force field won't matter if you're playing a shooting army (and, let's face it, that's what 7e has become). Just stay put and shoot. If you are buying this, you're presumably smart enough to build your army around it. Anything that needs to get out can take Jump Packs or be/be in skimmers.
I still think 275 is too cheap, but 325 to 350 are far more reasonable to my senses.

Eric

[3eland]

Yeah I was thinking the FW ones. The GW ones are really plain.

Good point on the Stronghold, it does seem everything is based around shooting. Unless the 3+ invul goes both ways.

[hapotte]

Just remember guys that they have to have a point value to "count as" models, I supose the FW ones all have one but the regular GW board don't (to my knowledge)

The trouble with terrain is not really what GW sells but mostly all the custom work that people comes up with. The only way I could see incorporating terrain in the challenge would be to go with the base footwork or something like that.

[optimusprime14]

I agree with Hapotte, I think it has to have a point value to count towards the challenge. I'd love if we could include other terrain but then things could get messy.

12 points seems reasonable

[MagickalMemories]

"Point Value" seems like a reasonable cut off.
Kind of disappointing, as I have 3 log cabins I need to paint for the GW Western game we play (on ultra rare occasion).. : ( LOL
Definitely a reasonable place to put the limitation in, though.

Eric

[3eland]

Question concerning models "Painted in 2015".

What if you had some half started models from last year and you finished them and based them (this year). Does that count?

What about models that just need basing to be finished?

What about models that just need some touching up?

Ryan