Has anyone else been running into this lately?

[Ironhide]

There is a big difference from opening a shrink wrapped box, and not realizing a primed black model actually has a coat of paint under it. To determine if the primed model has paint underneath it would require you to strip said model, and why would you strip the model if it already looks good? By that, I mean no loss of detail and such.

[EZ mac]

There is a big difference from opening a shrink wrapped box, and not realizing a primed black model actually has a coat of paint under it. To determine if the primed model has paint underneath it would require you to strip said model, and why would you strip the model if it already looks good? By that, I mean no loss of detail and such.

I think you guys are arguing the same point but from a different angle. Primered over and obscuring detail= bad, primered over a light coat of paint that does not obscure detail= ok. A jerkish thing to do it is to trade a 3timed painted model without telling or informing a trade partner before trading.

Finding out something is painted then primered over really shouldn't matter that much. As long as you can see detail it's all good, but it is way nicer to know before hand.

A good looking primed model is one thing... A 'primed space marine' that ends up looking like a nurgle turd marine because of the cruddy primer or layers of primer, sealer, or paint is entirely different. Also a 'primed black' thing could be primered with gloss or be crackly primered from humidity or a junk can but still technically be 'primered'.

Either way a model should be described to a fault.... "yes the sword is bent, it's primered, partialy painted, the foot tab is cut off but also I pined the arm" if it's a used model this is a decent way to express condition more so then the average "P= primered, B= built, ect" thing of a lot of traders.

I personally will strip anything I get and can strip ( ) if I have to if it's That big of a deal.

[EVIL INC]

Apples and oranges.
MM is talking about a model that was badly painted and then glob primered over to where it obscures details (situation A) while IH is talking about a primered model that has no detail loss at all and is impossible to tell if it was painted under or not (situation B). Two totally different situations.
In situation A, the seller should either strip the models themself or advertise them as badly in need of stripping with an explanation of why. It is imposible for the seller to not know what is wrong with the model as even a blind person would be able to tell through touch.
In situation B, It is possible that the person could not tell if the model has paint under the primer if they do no more then "look" at it. A simple scratch would tell the tale though. Of course the person could also describe it as it arrived to them. "has a coat of primer on it but cant tell if it has any paint under it as there is no loss of detail". In the time it took me to type that, I could have scratched the model and seen.
In either case, it is up to the seller to make sure of what is being sold and accurately describe it.

[Ironhide]

However, it still falls in the same category. Knew of trade where the guy got the models in the fashion I have described, didn't like black primer (preferred white), stripped the models to find that there was paint underneath, got mad and left the guy a bad ref because the models were not "accurately described".