Bad Trader- Aaron Gunckel aka Kasiok

[Amarel]

Hi all,

Been off the board for a while so only just catching up. But the same fellow took me for a ride.

Thankfully it wasn't for too much and my postal insurance saved me from being out of pocket.

Is he now banned?

[Amarel]

Sorry for the double post but can't edit in this forum...

In case it helps anyone in finding him it was 5 old-style Grey Knights that he took me for. So he's probably fielding a DH army.

[MagickalMemories]

Amarel, you aren't allowed to do that.
If you have a BTR complaint on him, you have to start your own thread.

What you did is making an accusation without providing proof.

If, however, you already HAVE posted a BTR thread on him, you should include your link.

Eric

Oh... and editing posts is disabled in this forum due to rampant abuse of the function by traders in the past, once their complaint was resolved.

[starslayer]

Hey guys, I'm also a mod over at GotG, and yes, Kasiok is a moderator over there, but he hasn't been logged in since May 11, 2008. Just thought I'd help verify this! He's also listed as living in Anderson, Indiana.

As an aside, I've had a couple of successful trades with Aaron, and I've always known him to be a good trader. I suspect that there's some other extenuating circumstance in his absence, though that doesn't make him guiltless.

Yeah,he's a swell guy..... what is this? Like 4+ people he's conned....
Why dont you contact him & ask him to pony-up all the stuff he owes these people.

To all his victims- GO AS FAR AS YOU CAN WITH THIS!
Contact the PD,his work, family,friends, anything. People like this need to be made aware they cant STEAL without repercussions.

Evil prospers when good people do nothing.

[Forsaken Poptart]

Hey, I'm not saying you guys are wrong, I'd be upset too! I was just giving my opinion, based on my experiences with the guy. I sent him a PM on GOTG to see if I can get any activity from him. I'd like to see this resolved just as much as you guys!

[Amarel]

Amarel, you aren't allowed to do that.
If you have a BTR complaint on him, you have to start your own thread.

What you did is making an accusation without providing proof.

I haven't done a bad trader report because a whole lot of silence from one side makes for little more proof than me simply stating it here.

Most of my experiences on Bartertown, so far, have been of being utterly ripped off and then a lot of time spent on desperately trying to get a crumb in return for my cash / figs. This is then followed by more time sorting out a bad trader report (which takes a while to do). So I'm afraid you're going to have to excuse me if just this time I simply add my own bad experience of someone to the long list of people already pointing out what a theiving schmuck he is.

[MagickalMemories]

I haven't done a bad trader report because a whole lot of silence from one side makes for little more proof than me simply stating it here.

If you kept your communications, though, you should have everything showing that a deal was made & agreed to... Then, you should also have your proof of shipping...
That, plus a bunch of unanswered PMs/Emails is all you need.

Most of my experiences on Bartertown, so far, have been of being utterly ripped off and then a lot of time spent on desperately trying to get a crumb in return for my cash / figs. This is then followed by more time sorting out a bad trader report (which takes a while to do).

Hmm.
That truly stinks.
I would suggest limiting your trades to people with ratings of 50+ for a while. They'll probably still expect you to ship first, but you'll be able to reasonably expect not to get ripped off.

So I'm afraid you're going to have to excuse me if just this time I simply add my own bad experience of someone to the long list of people already pointing out what a theiving schmuck he is.

Well, I'm certainly not going to berate you for it. My job as a Watchman is simply to remind people of the rules when they're broken. It's the job of the Mods & Admin whether or not to excuse it.
Considering what you said above, I can't exactly blame you for your frustration, though.

Eric

[starslayer]

Amarel- Most of your experiences??? You have 2 trades. Who ripped you off?? Post PROOF, start your own Bad Trader thread. No matter what your experience, you still need to follow the rules. I sympathize with you if you've been ripped-off, but if you let them get away with it,(especially due to your own inability to follow the rules) thats your own fault.

If you have a low trade rating, only deal with well established traders.(50+ or more)

[Siegfredofnuln]

Two refferences does not mean two attempted trades. It is simply that there have been two instances where the trade actually occurred. I have gotten a couple bum deals that resulted in no feedback being left because the trade either didn't go as one party hoped, or because the trade got backed out of in one way or another.

[starslayer]

Two refferences does not mean two attempted trades. It is simply that there have been two instances where the trade actually occurred. I have gotten a couple bum deals that resulted in no feedback being left because the trade either didn't go as one party hoped, or because the trade got backed out of in one way or another.

Wow. Really?? I didnt know that. Sorry, I havent been here long, I dont have many trades. Thanks for filling me in.

What I am saying is if you dont follow thru with a Bad rader thread, negative feedback, and contacting the PD & excersising your rights, then its your own T.S.(tuff caca.)

[Siegfredofnuln]

But not leaving Negative Feedback does not mean he has not tried other trades. It just means he didn't leave negative feedback. No need to be snarky.

[starslayer]

But not leaving Negative Feedback does not mean he has not tried other trades. It just means he didn't leave negative feedback. No need to be snarky.

I wasnt being "snarky". Dont dissect what I say if you dont want me to reply.
What I meant by him only having two confirmed trades- was his experience here is very limited. He only joined a few months ago. He supposedly got ripped off,but posts no proof.(against the rules) He also supposedly got ripped off many times, but didnt care enough to post a BTR, negative feedback or pursue the matter legally. He didnt even post proof of his dealings with Kasiok. Thats not going to gather alot of sympathy from people.

[Adunaphel]

I think that AncientSociety said it best in a thread like this. And I will paraphrase what he said, but it amounts to the fact that you are doing EVERYBODY on Bartertown a disservice if you don't leave references. Good, bad, or indifferent.
It helps other traders keep track of traders who might be dubious.

By leveling accusations without PROOF goes against everything that the rating system stands for. I realize that MM was being a little lenient due to you having a rough time of it, but you need PROOF.

I can't see ANY kind of reasoning for NOT leaving your references OR posting a BTR on somebody who has ripped you off. None.

Help yourself out. Help your fellow Bartertowners out and post proof of transactions gone awry. And leave a reference that EXPLAINS your experience on EVERY trade.

Maybe if somebody had posted something about a bad trader right off the bat, other traders wouldn't have fallen into the same trap.

Karl

[MagickalMemories]

By leveling accusations without PROOF goes against everything that the rating system stands for. I realize that MM was being a little lenient due to you having a rough time of it, but you need PROOF.

Ah, but you know me so well.
::here's a cookie for you!::

Yes. I was being lenient.
I'm not a stickler for all the rules... but I am for some... and I do tend to get snarky when their violated... moreso when it's treated as "not a big deal" by the one violating them.
I was -and am- in a good mood, though... ::shrugs::

Now, to be serious for a moment...
Let's stay ON TOPIC here, folks. If you guys want to argue... Well, I'd be easily caught in a lie if I said I didn't like a good argument every now & then... But. Let's take it to PM's.
Learn from my mistakes.

Especially in this forum... We need these threads to be as clutter free as possible.

Eric

[starslayer]

No im done. Sorry if the thread got off topic. Bottom line is YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES & POST PROOF. You cant just whine that you got ripped off & did nothing about it. Start your OWN BTR, dont jump on someone elses.