Bad Trader, TWTaylor

[Daily4605]

I added everything I have from every pm from TWTaylor, since we never did any emails sorry about posting it wrong the first time.

I traded 40 some odd Fantasy Goblins for a NOS SM Rhino, which never arrived, said he would send another but never got around to it, as a way of saying sorry He offered me something a little more then the original Rhino, which ended up being 5 metal SM vets, since then I have tried Pming him and unable to get any response back. The original trade was done in April, I know he said he had some events that were making his life busy but still it has been over 3 months now close to 4.

TWTaylor wrote:Good morning. I'm intersted in the 2 sets of Night Goblin spearmen. What would you be willing to take for them? A rhino, NOS?
What condition are the spear chuckas in?

Thanks

I wrote:
The Spear Chukkas are glued together and cleaned of most extra pewter if not all of it... have all 3 crew members too.
and yes i would gladly trade all the spearman i have for a nos rhino

TWTaylor wrote:sounds good to me.They are unpainted, right? My shipping address is:

1106 Stone Garden
New Braunfels, TX. 78130

Thanks,
Tom

I wrote:
Ya, only ones i even touched with paints were some of the archers. I will put them in the mail today, or at the very latest tomorrow. Will respond back with tracking number when i do.
I wrote:
omw up to Post office now, threw some extra champs/music/standard bearers in too, some were painted a little bit, and then some like 2nd ed Night Gobs.
I wrote:
0308 0730 0000 8092 9249
sorry, it took a while to respond back with this. Also the post office was out of the normal sized priorty boxes so i had to put them in the "priorty" envelope which didn't leave any room for padding. If there are any problems with them when they arrive I can fully understand if you want to send them back.
I wrote:
Saw that the goblins arrived at your address, was wondering if you have had time to ship the Rhino?

TWTaylor wrote:Yes. I shipped the rhino. I you haven't gotten by Monday, let me know.

I wrote:
Hey, haven't heard anything back from you yet. Just wondering whats going on
I wrote:
Hey, been almost a month since the goblins arrived at your address and still no Rhino here, do you have a tracking # or something?

TWTaylor wrote:Sorry for the delay. I read your last pm on my phone, but it wouldn't let me respond. I've not seen the rhino returned, not did I bother w/ tracking. My mistake. Please send me your mailing address so I can send another (w/ tracking). Again sorry, just been very busy w/ planning a wedding and buying a new house. No excuse, but the reason none the less.

I wrote:
Ok bud thats fine was just checking in to make sure.

Andrew Daily
2226 Main Street
Forest Grove, Or
97116

I wrote:
Hey, just checking in with ya again.

I wrote:
checking in with you again

TWTaylor wrote:I'd sent a reply that I didn't have any predators, but do have vindficators...

TWTaylor wrote:Dave,

Sorry for the ambiguity. I have a crap load of marine stuff, but no drop pods. I also have quite a bit of chaos space marine miniature, including terminators and possessed. I'm just shy in the vehicle department, as my marine stuff is mostly Ravenwing/Deathwing. I have a csm terminator lord that's new on sprue, a perponderance of jump packs, cities of death buildings sprues.

What kind of marine army are you working on? I have some metal ultramarine shoulder pads, a box of sternguard veterans missing the vet w/ the powerfist, sa couple of tyrnannic war vets.

Let me know what you're trying to build.

Tom

I wrote:
I don't mind bud, just checking in. In all honesty hehe I really don't need a Rhino anymore... When i started trading for rhinos some one was selling the Space Marine Battle Company on ebay for $310 and now i have 8 and 1 razorback... If you had either drop pod or predator i could really use one of those instead but that is up to you.

I could use the vets... my 1500 pt list is Lysander, Khan (ya i know 2 HQs but Lysander kills everything and Outflank is awesome) 2 5 man Stern squads with Combi meltas in drop pod, 1 normal dread in droppod 3 10man tac squads in rhinos I start the game with nothing on the board, 1st turn i deep strike and kill lots of armor.

but ya i guess 5 vets would work too... that way i dont have to just use normal marines (i play blood drinkers so not like i have anything that sets a vet out from a normal dude)


I wrote:
Hey, haven't heard anything back from you in a while.


after asking for 5 vets on Jun 18th, I tried again on july 4th with still no response... I think TWTaylor is a good person at least he has a fairly high rating(compared to me) kind of just hoping that he's been really busy or computer issues or something but ya.... although heck he didn't even bother to post me a reference when my stuff arrived

[Daily4605]

crap didn't get some of the conversation in and it won't let me edit it...

Andrew,

I don't even knnow where to start. I still have not made it to the post office to ship your rhino. You have to believe I've never felt worse about the way I've handled a trade. I would totally understand if you wanted to give me a bad ref, but am willing to try and sweeten the deal for you. Is there any other space marine items you're looking for that I could throw in with the rhino to make it up to you? I have a ton of stuff, as I was a regional hard boyz winner last year, and select SM as my 2500 point prize army.

Again, my sincerest apologies,
Tom

[MagickalMemories]

I'm sorry to do this to you... but I need to ask you to repost everything again.
I won't remove the thread, so you can just put them inline with the rest of the posts here.

We have to have the COMPLETE PM, including the header (who it's to, from, date posted, subject line). We have to have it all on there.

I do appreciate the effort you took to separate everything, though.

Eric

P.S. Since you're reposting anyway, could you do it in chronological order? It'll get you more help from the forum regulars (who tend to just ignore the ones with proof posted in reverse order)

[Daily4605]

Ok, here is everything with when and who it was sent by in the correct order this time.


Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:45 am
by Daily4605
Subject: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

TWTaylor wrote:Good morning. I'm intersted in the 2 sets of Night Goblin spearmen. What would you be willing to take for them? A rhino, NOS?
What condition are the spear chuckas in?

Thanks


The Spear Chukkas are glued together and cleaned of most extra pewter if not all of it... have all 3 crew members too.


Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:09 am
by Daily4605
and yes i would gladly trade all the spearman i have for a nos rhino


Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:28 am
by TWTaylor
sounds good to me.They are unpainted, right? My shipping address is:

1106 Stone Garden
New Braunfels, TX. 78130

Thanks,
Tom



Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:40 am
by Daily4605
Ya, only ones i even touched with paints were some of the archers. I will put them in the mail today, or at the very latest tomorrow. Will respond back with tracking number when i do.

Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:50 pm
by Daily4605
omw up to Post office now, threw some extra champs/music/standard bearers in too, some were painted a little bit, and then some like 2nd ed Night Gobs.

Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:44 pm
by Daily4605
0308 0730 0000 8092 9249

sorry, it took a while to respond back with this. Also the post office was out of the normal sized priorty boxes so i had to put them in the "priorty" envelope which didn't leave any room for padding. If there are any problems with them when they arrive I can fully understand if you want to send them back.

Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:33 am
by Daily4605
Saw that the goblins arrived at your address, was wondering if you have had time to ship the Rhino?

Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:32 am
by TWTaylor
Yes. I shipped the rhino. I you haven't gotten by Monday, let me know.

Re: W:SM or $ H: Orks and Orcs&Goblins

Sent: Sun May 03, 2009 9:12 pm
by Daily4605
Hey, haven't heard anything back from you yet. Just wondering whats going on

Hey

Sent: Tue May 05, 2009 7:24 am
by Daily4605
Hey, been almost a month since the goblins arrived at your address and still no Rhino here, do you have a tracking # or something?

Re: Hey

Sent: Tue May 05, 2009 7:47 am
by TWTaylor
Sorry for the delay. I read your last pm on my phone, but it wouldn't let me respond. I've not seen the rhino returned, not did I bother w/ tracking. My mistake. Please send me your mailing address so I can send another (w/ tracking). Again sorry, just been very busy w/ planning a wedding and buying a new house. No excuse, but the reason none the less.

Re: Hey

Sent: Tue May 05, 2009 8:49 am
by Daily4605
Ok bud thats fine was just checking in to make sure.

Andrew Daily
2226 Main Street
Forest Grove, Or
97116

Re: Hey

Sent: Wed May 13, 2009 10:09 pm
by Daily4605
Hey, just checking in with ya again.

Re: Hey

Sent: Mon May 18, 2009 2:52 am
by TWTaylor
Andrew,

I don't even knnow where to start. I still have not made it to the post office to ship your rhino. You have to believe I've never felt worse about the way I've handled a trade. I would totally understand if you wanted to give me a bad ref, but am willing to try and sweeten the deal for you. Is there any other space marine items you're looking for that I could throw in with the rhino to make it up to you? I have a ton of stuff, as I was a regional hard boyz winner last year, and select SM as my 2500 point prize army.

Again, my sincerest apologies,
Tom


Re: Hey

Sent: Mon May 18, 2009 6:28 am
by Daily4605
I don't mind bud, just checking in. In all honesty hehe I really don't need a Rhino anymore... When i started trading for rhinos some one was selling the Space Marine Battle Company on ebay for $310 and now i have 8 and 1 razorback... If you had either drop pod or predator i could really use one of those instead but that is up to you.


Re: Hey

Sent: Fri May 29, 2009 12:16 pm
by Daily4605
checking in with you again


Checking in again,

Sent: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:19 am
by Daily4605
Hey haven't heard anything from you in a while, just checking to see if your still there.

Re: Checking in again,

Sent: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:01 am
by TWTaylor
I'd sent a reply that I didn't have any predators, but do have vindficators...

Re: Checking in again,

Sent: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:56 am
by Daily4605
ah sorry didn't get that message, any chance you have a drop pod?


....

Sent: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:18 pm
by Daily4605
since, i dont know what all you have other then the vindicator, why dont you just let me know what you have that you would be willing to get rid of... also as a side note if you had a unpainted or just primed Kharn the Betrayer lying around i would gladly just take him and call it good.




Re: ....

Sent: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:29 am
From: TWTaylor
To: Daily4605
Dave,

Sorry for the ambiguity. I have a crap load of marine stuff, but no drop pods. I also have quite a bit of chaos space marine miniature, including terminators and possessed. I'm just shy in the vehicle department, as my marine stuff is mostly Ravenwing/Deathwing. I have a csm terminator lord that's new on sprue, a perponderance of jump packs, cities of death buildings sprues.

What kind of marine army are you working on? I have some metal ultramarine shoulder pads, a box of sternguard veterans missing the vet w/ the powerfist, sa couple of tyrnannic war vets.

Let me know what you're trying to build.

Tom

Re: ....

Sent: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:22 am
by Daily4605
I could use the vets... my 1500 pt list is Lysander, Khan (ya i know 2 HQs but Lysander kills everything and Outflank is awesome) 2 5 man Stern squads with Combi meltas in drop pod, 1 normal dread in droppod 3 10man tac squads in rhinos I start the game with nothing on the board, 1st turn i deep strike and kill lots of armor.

but ya i guess 5 vets would work too... that way i dont have to just use normal marines (i play blood drinkers so not like i have anything that sets a vet out from a normal dude)


Re: ....

Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:24 pm
by Daily4605
Hey, haven't heard anything back from you in a while.

[MagickalMemories]

Okay.
Looks good.
Thanks.

Hopefully, someone with better GW-Google-Fu than me will jump in and prove or refute his claim of being a regional 'Ard Boyz winner. If he's telling the truth about that, it could make it far easier for someone to track him down.

Eric

[Daily4605]

Well I placed this year in preliminaries so maybe if I do good at regionals I'll see him there, would be kind of awkward though...(and as a side note I no longer do the army i had listed in the post)

[TWTaylor]

Dave, Eric, et. al

There is no need to track me down. I am right here. As I said in the pms, things have been hectic (no excuse), and I am more than willing to make this more than right.
Dave,
Let me know what will smooth this over for you, as I don't want to cause you to have anything but the utmost quality experiences on Bartertown as I have over the past couple of years. You said you are working on / playing a differnt army now, so if you'd like something for it, let me know.

Eric,
In the interest of trasnparency and integrity, I am more than willing to copy you on any communications, or just finish up this trade here in this thread.


Again, my sincerest apologies. Let's please get this straightened out to Dave's satisfaction.

Tom

[SteveBerenyi]

TWT,

Glad to see you've stood up on this. It's actually very refreshing to see in these.


Dave,

Hope everything works out for you in the end.

just my 2cents.

Steve.

[MagickalMemories]

Dave, Eric, et. al

There is no need to track me down. I am right here. As I said in the pms, things have been hectic (no excuse), and I am more than willing to make this more than right.
Dave,
Let me know what will smooth this over for you, as I don't want to cause you to have anything but the utmost quality experiences on Bartertown as I have over the past couple of years. You said you are working on / playing a differnt army now, so if you'd like something for it, let me know.

Eric,
In the interest of trasnparency and integrity, I am more than willing to copy you on any communications, or just finish up this trade here in this thread.


Again, my sincerest apologies. Let's please get this straightened out to Dave's satisfaction.

Tom

Hi, Tom.

I appreciate that.
Just handling it with Dave will be good enough.
I'll ask that Dave reply here, once it's all settled, and we'll mark the thread as such.

Thanks for posting it publicly!

Eric
(Also sent via PM)

[Daily4605]

sent a pm to him waiting to hear back, and one thing my names Andrew... don't know where this Dave thing came from If he is saying that he is sending PMs that I am not receiving and thinks my name is Dave, makes me wonder if he sent the Rhino to the wrong person in the 1st place...

[Daily4605]

just an update, Still haven't received the Rhino from TWTaylor yet...

[starslayer]

just an update, Still haven't received the Rhino from TWTaylor yet...

If you havent by now, you never will. Leave a negative & cut your losses. You gave him ample oppurtunity to do the right thing. He chose not to.

[MagickalMemories]

I have emailed him with a link to this thread and an advisement to log in & resolve this while he still can.
Do you have his email address, Daily?

Eric

[Daily4605]

yep, He responded back a few weeks ago apologized for how longs its been and promised the Rhino would be in the mail by Monday... It has been several weeks now with no response back to 2 more PMs and no Rhino either.

[MagickalMemories]

Okay. Cool.

I was in a hurry at the time, and it was quicker to ask than research the thread for it.

Like I said, I've emailed him, so we'll see if there's any response.



Eric