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Heathen Right · Post by **Heathen Right** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:22 pm

I wil tey the other addres as well. What I dont get though is he still got the stuff so I guess the mail man must have just known. though it was a Fed-Ex guy. LOL this has alot of unknown things to it.

Heath

TedMcDonald · Post by **TedMcDonald** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:42 am

I'm from Canada, I just did a trade with this guy through 40k online and his name there is meverha1.

I just sent him a FULL battle company of Dark Angels for a bunch of Orcs, here was one of his replies to my for his reason NOT sending a Tracking Number for the shipment.

""Hi Ted,

Sorry for the delay...Tuesday nights are my 40K night so I'm just getting home. Played a great "Cities of Death" battle tonight and a 2 vs 2 IG/Space Marine Battle.

Anyway, the reason I didn't email you the tracking # earlier is because upn looking at it today I realized that I screwed up. I paid for "delivery confirmation" not tracking. Basically, it will give me the date, time, and zip code of package delivery but not until after the package has been delivered.

I'm sorry for the screw up but I'm used to dealing with FedEx and I think I just filled out the wrong from at the post office. I would have used Fedex but I was trying to save some money and delivery time would have been about the same. I contacted the USPS today in an effort to try to get some tracking info but they don't have any (i.e. they can't assign a tracking number on a package in transit). I guess the way delivery confirmation works is that when the package is delivered the package is scanned and information is entered into a computer.

Damn, I just realized that I'm dealing with a package sent outside of the US. I need call them tomorrow to see if that makes any difference....

Anyway, I'm not trying to screw you on this deal. I don't do that sort of thing. However, we now have a situation where you could cancel delivery to me and still get the army that I sent you. I wish you wouldn't cancel, however I understand if you do. You'll just have to send the package out again once you get it back, which will result in at least a two week delay in me getting the Dark Angels. Your call on this and I'll understand whatever decision you make.

You should be getting your package Wed/Thursday or Friday at the latest.

Again, Sorry...

Mark ""

I've just emailed the West Virginia police dept. about this guy, and I will again after seeing this message board.

here is his name and Addy

Mark Everhart
34 Rams Ct.
Shephardstown WV
25443

hope this helps

Ted

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:00 am

Well, now... strictly speaking, this shouldn't be posted here, as it is not for a BTown trade.
Considering that it is with someone who is already reported, though, the mods might let it slide.

Let me tell you... He's lying to you.
Have you sent him anything? if not, DON'T.

Lie #1

Delivery confirmation is NOT available outside the US. Sending a package to Canada, the US Post Office would NOT put on what he claims they did.

Lie # 2

Deliver Confirmation IS a tracking number...You put it in the USPS web site & it'll tell you when the package was shipped. It is also scanned in transit, and it will tell you where it was, most recently.

ASK him what the Delivery Confirmation number is... later on, after he gives it to you - or claims to have lost it- inform him that you know he couldn't have gotten that on a package to Canada & that you know he's lying.

Lie # 3

Basically, it will give me the date, time, and zip code of package delivery but not until after the package has been delivered.

I already told you how it works.

Lie # 4

I would have used Fedex but I was trying to save some money and delivery time would have been about the same.

Fed Ex would, typically, be faster. Packages tend to get held up in US Customs... and I expect he will use that as an excuse, IF he stays in touch.

Lie # 5

Anyway, I'm not trying to screw you on this deal. I don't do that sort of thing.

Speaks for itself!

Lie #6

we now have a situation where you could cancel delivery to me and still get the army that I sent you.

A) I doubt you can cancel the delivery... I could be wrong, though
B) (this is the lie I can prove) You won't get the army he alleges he sent.

Lie # 7

You should be getting your package Wed/Thursday or Friday at the latest.

If he shipped on Tuesday, there's no WAY you would get it by Friday. No way, no how, never! Not with US Postal Shipping! Not any method that would be cheaper than Fed Ex.

Eric

P.S. If you used UPS or Fed Ex and they allow you to cancel anything that might have been already sent, you should do that.
Eric

Brian Khazad · Post by **Brian Khazad** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:34 am

To my knowledge, FedEx does NOT allow you to cancel a shipment - I'll assume that's the same for the rest too since that's an industry standard. There IS a way to work around it, but it gets expensive. You can call them up and tell them it's a wrong address, and have them change it to the "correct address" which, if it's wrong, should result in a failed delivery and returning it to you. The catch is, they charge you to change the address, and then they'll charge you to ship it back to you. And shipping FedEx internation can be HORRENDOUSLY expensive, even for just a small package.

-Dwarf

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:40 am

Better than letting a scammer have it, IMO.

Eric

Heathen Right · Post by **Heathen Right** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:10 am

This is so much @#$#%#%@. He is doing it again. This is becoming bad. I really hope he gets his just desserts in the end.

Heath

kturock · Post by **kturock** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:47 am

MagickalMemories wrote:Well, now... strictly speaking, this shouldn't be posted here, as it is not for a BTown trade.
Considering that it is with someone who is already reported, though, the mods might let it slide.

Let me tell you... He's lying to you.
Have you sent him anything? if not, DON'T.

Lie #1

Delivery confirmation is NOT available outside the US. Sending a package to Canada, the US Post Office would NOT put on what he claims they did.

Lie # 2

Deliver Confirmation IS a tracking number...You put it in the USPS web site & it'll tell you when the package was shipped. It is also scanned in transit, and it will tell you where it was, most recently.

ASK him what the Delivery Confirmation number is... later on, after he gives it to you - or claims to have lost it- inform him that you know he couldn't have gotten that on a package to Canada & that you know he's lying.

Lie # 3

Basically, it will give me the date, time, and zip code of package delivery but not until after the package has been delivered.
I already told you how it works.

Lie # 4
I would have used Fedex but I was trying to save some money and delivery time would have been about the same.
Fed Ex would, typically, be faster. Packages tend to get held up in US Customs... and I expect he will use that as an excuse, IF he stays in touch.

Lie # 5
Anyway, I'm not trying to screw you on this deal. I don't do that sort of thing.
Speaks for itself!

Lie #6
we now have a situation where you could cancel delivery to me and still get the army that I sent you.
A) I doubt you can cancel the delivery... I could be wrong, though
B) (this is the lie I can prove) You won't get the army he alleges he sent.

Lie # 7
You should be getting your package Wed/Thursday or Friday at the latest.
If he shipped on Tuesday, there's no WAY you would get it by Friday. No way, no how, never! Not with US Postal Shipping! Not any method that would be cheaper than Fed Ex.

Eric

P.S. If you used UPS or Fed Ex and they allow you to cancel anything that might have been already sent, you should do that.
Eric

umm MM. i hate to put a spoiler on your arguement, but i WORK FOR USPS. since 1988. i was one of the earlest traders here at b-town in 1999. i submitted alot of FYI to the site about mail fraud. at that time i was a window clerk, and explained it to customers at work.

1st there is a way to put numbers on foreign parcels; it's called registered mail. you can also insure it. not all courties have numbered insured, but all have registered. also ALL customs form now have a number, you can look online and see when it cleared customs. ALL pacakges go thru customs. ups, fedex, dhl, everything. customs can check anything from a letter to a truck-size shipping container at the harbor.

2nd. delivery confirmation ONLY GETS SCANNED AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY. it is not a tracking number. it's a way to confirm deliery. it is a number, like certified or insurance to TRACE an item. it might get scanned when it gets dropped off at the PO and it might get scanned when it's in route. a few pieces every hunder get scanned. and sometimes, it doesn't get scanned at delivery either; for any number of reasons.

3rd. you can ship global priority. it gets handled like express, but it doesn't have insurance. and yes, it is cheaper than fedex. it's delivery time is 3-5 days.

4th yes you can 'cancel' a mailing. it's called 'sender's recall of mail. you fill out the form and it follows the same route as the mail piece and gets emailed to to delivery address post office. there the delivery carrier is told to watch for it and to hold it out and return it to sender.

TedMcDonald · Post by **TedMcDonald** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:13 am

Well unfortunatly this guy has my Battle Company, and I'm outta luck.

Heathen, may I use your name when I write the Police?

Ted

I want this guy SHUT DOWN, and if I can, I will press charges.

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:14 am

No spoilers... inattentiveness...

See, I didn't say that there was NO way to put numbers on international parcels. What i said was that DELIVERY CONFIRMATION is not available on them. if you read the guy's email, he states taht he "accidentally" purchased delivery confirmation. He also states that it ONLY shows when the item was received.
Employee or not, you should be aware that D.C. is NOT available on international items.
I am aware of registered mail and, if this guy was going to use it, h could have used Fed Ex or UPS just as easily, as they are both expensive. He claims that he sent it via USPS to "save money."

2nd. delivery confirmation ONLY GETS SCANNED AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY.

Now, that is just downright WRONG.
I just sent a package yesterday. Here's the D.C.:
0306 1070 0002 3889 3693

Go here:

and cut & paste the number into it under "track & confirm" & see what you get.

Here's what *I* got:

Your item was accepted at 4:13 pm on June 28, 2006 in FESTUS, MO 63028. Information, if available, is updated every evening. Please check again later

.

So, here we see that it WAS scanned at point of receipt, as well.
I can also testify that I, myself, have experienced one being scanned IN TRANSIT...
I was waiting on a package with a D.C. & tracked it... it claimed that it had been received at the Hazelwood, MO post office a day prior... the sender was in another state.... The next day, after I received it, the site was updated showing that it had been delivered.

Don't tell me it is only scanned at delivery or that it isn't scanned in transit. I know better. Furthermore, your paragraph contradicts itself:

2nd. delivery confirmation ONLY GETS SCANNED AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY. it is not a tracking number. it's a way to confirm deliery. it is a number, like certified or insurance to TRACE an item. it might get scanned when it gets dropped off at the PO and it might get scanned when it's in route. a few pieces every hunder get scanned. and sometimes, it doesn't get scanned at delivery either; for any number of reasons.

Your first red phrase is a direct conotradiction to the next two.
Plus, if you note the blue section...sometimes, it doesn't get scanned at delivery either... That's like saying that the post office doesn't deliver mail, then saying that it might get delivered, or might get delivered to the wrong person, then saying that only a few pieces aren't delivered... You're all over the place. Consistency is key.

The fact is, WHEN IT WORKS RIGHT (and, face it, we have to use that as a basis for discussion to have an equal footing to discuss from), the package is scanned at receipt, delivery, and each stopping point in transit.

Yes, you CAN ship global priority but can you get a delivery confirmation on it? Also, delivery time is SAID to be 3-5 days... it is closer to 7-10. I've used it enough. I know.
The P.O. doesn't guarantee it will get there in that time... especially with customs being the way it is. Three to 5 days is a GUIDELINE.

4th yes you can 'cancel' a mailing. it's called 'sender's recall of mail. you fill out the form and it follows the same route as the mail piece and gets emailed to to delivery address post office. there the delivery carrier is told to watch for it and to hold it out and return it to sender.

THAT information is good to know... I will remember it.
Keep in mind, though, that the OP is in Canada. they may not have that.

Eric

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:41 am

So, I did a little searching...

I found some things that may or may NOT mean anything.

I searched "mark everhart" and "West Virginia" on google & got the results in the following link:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... irginia%22

From there, I went to the 5th entry down, the one that starts "buzzing : Messages" and it took me here:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... scount=100

So, on a lark, I searched for "Mark Everhart" and I got this thread:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/3445

In that thread, you will find talk about recording shows & posting them in the internet. one other thing you will find is that one guy's sign off contains this:

> > Mark Everhart
> > Director of Agent Development
> > Kestler Financial Group, Inc.
> > meverhart@...
> > www.kestlerfinancial.com

So, I went to:
http://www.kestlerfinancial.com/kfg/index-5.php
I clicked on "Contact us" at the botton.
When that window opened, I clicked on:

"Click here to get directions to our new building. "

That takes you to Mapquest.
Once I got there, I clicked on the "Directions to" link, then put in the address information above.

Now, Maqquest DID find some problems with the specific address. Know what I DID find, though... This place of business is less than 39 miles from Shepardstown. That is awful damn close.
It is DEFINITELY close enough for someone (or his PARENT) to commute to a nice job. I know this for a fact. I live in a small town. I commute 34 miles, and my wife is at 36 & change.
This could prove to be a great lead for you.

Also, it appears that Mr. Everhart is having problems keeping up deals on that forum, as well. More coincidence?
This is the thread that "started it" there...
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2881

The rest are in no particular order, just random samples. Do a search yourself to see more... a LOT more...
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2945
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2918
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2916

Eric

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:42 am

OKay... I just noticed that the date on that first message about Mark on the other trade forum is from 2001... Old does not mean it should be ignored, though.

Eric

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:53 am

I also found THIS information on him:

Mark Everhart
Director of Agent Development
Kestler Financial Group, Inc.
18 Royal Street SE, Suite 200
Leesburg, VA 20175
(800) 699-0299 Ext. 139
(703) 777-7265 FAX
meverhart@kestlerfinancial.com
www.kestlerfinancial.com

Here: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/digests/V5.600/D652

Again... not saying it IS the guy... but it is a lead.

Eric

kturock · Post by **kturock** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:04 am

MagickalMemories wrote:So, I did a little searching...

I found some things that may or may NOT mean anything.

I searched "mark everhart" and "West Virginia" on google & got the results in the following link:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... irginia%22

From there, I went to the 5th entry down, the one that starts "buzzing : Messages" and it took me here:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... scount=100

So, on a lark, I searched for "Mark Everhart" and I got this thread:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/3445

In that thread, you will find talk about recording shows & posting them in the internet. one other thing you will find is that one guy's sign off contains this:

> > Mark Everhart
> > Director of Agent Development
> > Kestler Financial Group, Inc.
> > meverhart@...
> > www.kestlerfinancial.com

So, I went to:
http://www.kestlerfinancial.com/kfg/index-5.php
I clicked on "Contact us" at the botton.
When that window opened, I clicked on:

"Click here to get directions to our new building. "

That takes you to Mapquest.
Once I got there, I clicked on the "Directions to" link, then put in the address information above.

Now, Maqquest DID find some problems with the specific address. Know what I DID find, though... This place of business is less than 39 miles from Shepardstown. That is awful damn close.
It is DEFINITELY close enough for someone (or his PARENT) to commute to a nice job. I know this for a fact. I live in a small town. I commute 34 miles, and my wife is at 36 & change.
This could prove to be a great lead for you.

Also, it appears that Mr. Everhart is having problems keeping up deals on that forum, as well. More coincidence?
This is the thread that "started it" there...
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2881

The rest are in no particular order, just random samples. Do a search yourself to see more... a LOT more...
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2945
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2918
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bu ... ssage/2916

Eric

delivery confirmation, dc, gets scanned at delivery. every piece is supposed to get scanned only at delivery. if you hand it to a window clerk, when you drop it off, or if you buy postage from that clerk on the window, and not at an automated postal center, apc, or online from your computer, the window clerk is supposed to scan it. if you walk up to the window with a piece with postage and dc on it, it might not get scanned. the clerk might go through the entire procedure, but isn't required to. if you drop it off in the special drop bin, next to an apc, it most likely won't get scanned. there are dozens to hunderds of peices dropped at each one every day. they all don't get scanned, if any.
a few choice pieces, 3-5 out of every pallet or cage, about 9 cubic feet of mail, get scanned. when they reach the processing facility. they don't get scanned. when they get sorted, on a machine or by hand, they don't get scanned. each piece easily gets handled a dozen times. they don't get scanned. the only mail required to get scanned at every handling is express mail. the only piece that gets noted on every handling is regestered.
dc has has a targeted scan percentage of 98%. that means 98% are supposed to be scanned when delievered. the goal is 100%, the target is 98%, actual varies by area.

also be aware that few people know the difference between dc, certified, recorded, trackable and traceable mail.
he might have purchased some form of tracing/tracking, and in his mind it is/was dc.
your own post shows you don't know the diference between tracking and tracing. few outside the usps do. and not all in usps do. only the ones who have to work with it. a small percentage of the hundreds of thousnads of employees.
now i must go and do this same thing, explain services and features for pay.

have a good day.

Heathen Right · Post by **Heathen Right** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:57 pm

I got call from the police dept today saying that he was out of there juridiction. I have spoken to the Jeferson Count Sheriffs Office and they will contact him one way or another. Ted if i get your info and stuff we can both charge him. I also told them about your situation as well. They are going to talk with him and give him a small amount of time to right his wrong by sending the stuff. I told them that he needed to send your things as well.

Heath

mouthfanmd · Post by **mouthfanmd** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:04 pm

Hi,

I know I'm new here but I've been lurking for awhile and since I was bored today I decided to check out the bad trader forum.

Anyway, I have traded with this guy before and I didn't have a problem. The minatures were slow to arrive but they did arrive and I was happy with the trade. He is, however, hard to contact so it was frustrating working with him. I got the feeling that he was a bit shelfish and was looking out for himself first and once he got his minis the trade sort of took a backseat to other things. However, given enough time I'm sure you'll get your stuff.

Also, I think going to the police is a little harsh. Did you ever think that maybe stuff got lost in the mail (which has happened to me before)? Personally, I'd give this guy the benefit of the doubt for at least a couple more weeks before calling in the cops.

Just my thoughts-

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