BTR DALOONIESHAMAN - Resolved Unamicably

[starslayer]

I left him a negative reference.

Still no items, refund or reply from him.

If someone can receive the items exactly as agreed on, I receive nothing in return, yet get a negative reference- then something is wrong here. I was given the negative for wanting what was agreed on.

[daloonieshaman]

The neg ref, as listed, has to do with the way he handled the correction of the trade.
You may delete or not at your whim

[daloonieshaman]

ps he got his stuff back but has failed to acknowledge it.
03090330000152775166

[MagickalMemories]

Label/Receipt Number: 0309 0330 0001 5277 5166
Class: Package Services
Service(s): Delivery Confirmation™
Status: Delivered

Your item was delivered at 10:44 AM on April 7, 2010 in ALLENTOWN, PA 18109.

Detailed Results:

Delivered, April 07, 2010, 10:44 am, ALLENTOWN, PA 18109
Out for Delivery or Available at PO Box, April 07, 2010, 9:11 am, ALLENTOWN, PA 18109
Sorting Complete, April 07, 2010, 8:41 am, ALLENTOWN, PA 18109
Arrival at Post Office, April 07, 2010, 5:52 am, ALLENTOWN, PA 18109
Processed through Sort Facility, April 01, 2010, 1:45 am, BELL, CA 90201
Acceptance, March 31, 2010, 3:54 pm, PASADENA, CA 91107

Starslayer, can you confirm, please?

Eric

[starslayer]

ps he got his stuff back but has failed to acknowledge it.
03090330000152775166

The address is a close relative. Thus the "c/o" CARE OF - and other name besides mine. I'll check with them. If you would have given me the DC #- perhaps some of this could have been avoided.

I'll check the contents of my return.

What about my shipping costs?

[starslayer]

The neg ref, as listed, has to do with the way he handled the correction of the trade.
You may delete or not at your whim

If I deserve a negative reference. What do you deserve? Two negative references? More?

[JohnHwangBT]

The neg ref, as listed, has to do with the way he handled the correction of the trade.
You may delete or not at your whim

OK, Dennis, precisely *what* about "the way he handled the correction of the trade" was objectionable?

The fact that he asked you to hold up your end of the bargain after giving you *ample* time to fulfill the trade?

You agreed to use DC#, and never forwarded it to Chad.

You received his trade, and then ignored his requests for a month without a single status update. Then, you get all snippy with him and have the balls to give him a Negative Reference when you're still in violation of the terms of your agreement?

Please explain your reasoning behind the Negative, along with what you would have expected that he do differently, given that:
- he sent his half
- he requested updates on an average of a weekly basis
- he gave you a month to fulfill your trade
- he only opened the BTR *after* you continued to ignore him

What the heck did you expect?

[JohnHwangBT]

The neg ref, as listed, has to do with the way he handled the correction of the trade.
You may delete or not at your whim

If I deserve a negative reference. What do you deserve? Two negative references? More?

Apparently, you can't double neg because it's against the rules.

But I wouldn't be adverse to publishing links to this thread in all of the general Warhammer and SoCal forums.

Just as a "friendly warning" in case others are doing trades with him.

[MagickalMemories]

The neg ref, as listed, has to do with the way he handled the correction of the trade.
You may delete or not at your whim

If I deserve a negative reference. What do you deserve? Two negative references? More?

I know you're upset, SS... and I know this is your thread... but please observe the guidelines for the forum. A post like this can't lead anywhere constructive.

LMK when you find out about the box, please?

Also, @ everyone else, this is NOT permission to start going OT or arguing in this thread!

Eric

[edit]
Ninja'd by "The Hwang!" : )
John, this thread is not the place for discussing ANY of the questions you asked of Dennis. Those should be discussed in private ONLY (or if DLS starts a BTR thread on SS, they can be discussed there).

--Eric (again)

[starslayer]

Ok, feel free to edit & or delete. I will certainly check on the status of the box ASAP. I want to check how the items were packaged & if they are broken. Why wasnt I given a DC # for the return?
I didnt want to give him a negative- he FORCED me to. He left me absolutely no choice.

More lies & insinuation are constructive?
""ps he got his stuff back but has failed to acknowledge it.
03090330000152775166""

I(personally) received nothing yet. People i trade with give me a DC #. I then check the packages status. When the item is marked "delivered" - i contact my relative & pick it up. I live in a high-traffic area & do not want a package left on my doorstep to be stolen. Thats why I use a second safe address that is more secluded & private, along with a DC #.

He answered about the return, but never commented on the original trade or my shipping costs.

[JohnHwangBT]

John, this thread is not the place for discussing ANY of the questions you asked of Dennis. Those should be discussed in private ONLY (or if DLS starts a BTR thread on SS, they can be discussed there).

--Eric (again)

Eric:

If Dennis didn't open the discussion, then I wouldn't have said anything. By publicly stating that his Neg was justified in the BTR of record, he necessarily invites explanation, and may reasonably be held accountable for his statements.

If he didn't want to discuss it, he should have kept silent.

And quite frankly, I completely disagree with the notion that this is not the proper thread, now that Dennis opened the subject of his actions. This thread has all of the relevant information, and he has posted his defense here, not in a separate thread.

That said, if Dennis wants to try and defend his actions in a separate thread, I will gladly respect his wishes and move my line of questioning to the proper thread. Until that time, this appears to be the appropriate place.

/John

[starslayer]

I have received my original items back. Id like to be reimbursed part of my shipping($10) & have the undeserved negative reference removed.
I stuck with my side of the original deal. It only became a "Bad deal" for him when I wanted what was agreed upon. After waiting 6 days for a reply, I felt i had to give a 7 day deadline so he would reply & take some kind of action.

[MagickalMemories]

Eric:

If Dennis didn't open the discussion, then I wouldn't have said anything. By publicly stating that his Neg was justified in the BTR of record, he necessarily invites explanation, and may reasonably be held accountable for his statements.

If he didn't want to discuss it, he should have kept silent.

And quite frankly, I completely disagree with the notion that this is not the proper thread, now that Dennis opened the subject of his actions. This thread has all of the relevant information, and he has posted his defense here, not in a separate thread.

That said, if Dennis wants to try and defend his actions in a separate thread, I will gladly respect his wishes and move my line of questioning to the proper thread. Until that time, this appears to be the appropriate place.

/John

This is not Dennis' thread, though. It is Starslayer's.
It is *about* Dennis, but it is not *his.*
As such, it is not the place. While Dennis would be welcome to explain his motives, that is where is would stop. General membership does not have the right to question his motives in this thread.

If you (or anyone else) want to discuss it further, please PM me. I'll be happy to go into further detail.


Eric

[starslayer]

I'd like Dennis to comment & answer as well.

What part of the trade was so objectionable to deserve a negative reference?
It wasnt a bad trade UNTIL I asked you to uphold your end of the bargain.

I never received a first DC # or a second DC for my return. My shipping was near $18. I only ask for $10 back. After all that had happened I had offered him to keep the items for $25. I even offered to give him a good reference! Then he ignored my messages & gave me a negative reference. Underhanded?

You received my trade, and then ignored my requests for almost a month without a single status update. Then, you get all snippy with me and have the nerve to give me a Negative Reference when you're still in violation of the terms of the original agreement?

Please explain your reasoning behind the Negative, along with what you would have expected that i do differently, given that:
- I sent my half
- I requested to be updated on the status of the trade items missing, or a DC#
- I gave you a month to fulfill your trade
- I gave you reasonable 7 day deadline to spur you into action & make some kind of decision & to reply back
- I only opened the BTR *after* you continued to ignore me & gave me a negative reference

What the heck did you expect? How long was I to wait?

Dennis??

[starslayer]

If the great & benevolent Mods decide I need to keep the negative- thats fine. I dont agree, but I'll accept it. But you need to think what kind of message that sends new members with low ratings.

Long time members with high ratings can take a hit & pretty much continue with "business as usual". But what if you are here 3 months with 6 trades & a rating of 8 ?? Not only do new members have to send first- they have to be afraid to "speak up" to an established member.
If the lower rated member hasnt gotten what was promised- does he say anything? Dare he? Or will it be taken as harrassment? Does he risk it? One bad ref will seriously hamstring him on Bartertown.

If Daloonieshaman can hit me with a negative- even though he received everything on time & as promised- what will stop others from doing it? One poorly phrased sentence, one misunderstanding, anything at all- and you can get a negative. Even if you sent first & everything was received as promised.

What kind of message does that send?? It will get new members thinking twice Im sure.