Common Courteousy PLEASE!!!!!

( 108 ) · Post by **Linrandir** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:55 pm

The trouble with that is, as ancientsociety pointed out, that's open for abuse.

We have ten thousand users. Go look how many times the rules thread has been viewed. If we mandate a specific phrase, some jackhole is going to figure out a way to abuse the rule. "You didn't use the Magic Words so you can't leave bad feedback about me!"

It's a tricky thing, I know, and that's why nothing has been finalized yet.

jesters89 · Post by **jesters89** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:30 pm

I like where Ranz is going. However, there is the issue of normalizing a phrase. I suppose those who wish to bind others into a trade could adopt the phrase as standard practice.

daloonieshaman · Post by **daloonieshaman** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:53 pm

could we just ad a back out category to feedback.
Good, Neutral, Bad, Back Out, Bad Form

Good - Negotiated fine and timely we had a fair exchange of goods
Neutral - Had to pester him/her a few times to finally send my stuff
Bad - Got ripped, didn't want to correct problems seeking possible mail fraud charges (Must send a Warning e-mail)
Back Out - Came to terms (Item and shipping charges or my A for your B) exchanged personal info and opponent backed out (Must send a warning e-mail)
Bad Form - Asked me a bunch of questions then never gave me a yes or no (must send warning e-mail that you are gonna Bad Form someone)

daloonieshaman · Post by **daloonieshaman** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:56 pm

you can add a check box to the login script that people have read ABC and agree to the terms before going foward

starslayer · Post by **starslayer** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:33 am

Well if we're gonna complain....
how about people who don't leave feedback at all?

Daloonie?

( 108 ) · Post by **Linrandir** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:56 am

Daloonie, those are some very interesting ideas. We'll definitely consider them in the next iteration of BT Rules.

Thanks for taking the time to post these.

JohnHwangBT · Post by **JohnHwangBT** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:54 am

daloonieshaman is on the right track, but I don't want to give +1 to a dealbreaker. I'd like to see:

+2 = Good, no problems
+1 = OK, minor issues
0 = Neutral comment
-2 = Bad, dealbreaker
-10 = Bad, scammer

ancientsociety · Post by **ancientsociety** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:08 pm

Oh no, not this *&%$ again!

-2 for backing out of a deal? Again, what language constitutes a "deal"? What are you out if someone backs out of a deal? And where does this end - as Starslayer mentioned, there are lots of other things that could require neg/neutral feedback?

The system is fine as it is.

starslayer · Post by **starslayer** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:12 pm

ancientsociety wrote:Oh no, not this *&%$ again!

-2 for backing out of a deal? Again, what language constitutes a "deal"? What are you out if someone backs out of a deal? And where does this end - as Starslayer mentioned, there are lots of other things that could require neg/neutral feedback?

The system is fine as it is.

Right AA. Way to vague.
What will be the exact wording that will constitute a deal?
Its going to cause more problems than it solves.

I've had lots of traders here simply to lazy to post a trade ref after a successful trade even after reminders. I just don't give them one, and move on.........

JohnHwangBT · Post by **JohnHwangBT** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:14 pm

It's lost opportunity cost.

If I'm holding items because we agreed on a deal, and the other person doesn't follow through, then I lose the chance to sell it for something I want now.

AncientSociety, suppose I agree to buy a big chunk of your stuff at your current prices. You're an ethical guy, so you pull your ad, or mark it as "in trade". I say I'll ship it out first because you've got higher feedback. It goes a little slow. In the mean time, you see the opportunity to trade for the Armorcast / Forgeworld whatnot that you've been lusting for. You alert me, and I cough up a phony DC#, make up a bunch of lame excuses. Eventually, I say it came back to me on a bad address after a month.

If it happened to me, I'd be mightily pissed. How would you feel about it?

In any case, the system is NOT fine as-is.

Neutral is worth 1 point. That is NOT right. It should be ZERO. If somebody has a habit of backing out of deals, he should NOT get +1 Feedback every time someone makes the note that he's a dealbreaker.

+1 Feedback means deal was completed, but with problems.

ancientsociety · Post by **ancientsociety** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:33 pm

John, the example that you use is a bad trade (if I read it correctly), NOT backing out of a trade. This is already covered by the BTR and feedback system.

JohnHwangBT · Post by **JohnHwangBT** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:06 pm

In the example, I said I was going to trade / buy / whatever, but I backed out. No money or merchandise ever exchanged hands. From your perspective, I strung you along, but ultimately backed out.

So what do you do? Do you open a BTR? If so, I just post my lame excuses (someone got sick, some relative died, my dog ate it).

Do you leave me Negative Feedback, even though nothing was exchanged? If so, I'm complaining that it's not deserved because I backed out, and current practice isn't to do this kind of thing.

Or are you giving me +1 so you can complain? You want to increase my Feedback for backing out of a deal?

Right now, there's no penalty for backing out of a deal. And to me, that's wrong. There should be a penalty for backing out.

Gaijin18 · Post by **Gaijin18** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:37 pm

I might be missing something but I do not see the need for giving someone negative feed back for backing out of a deal so long as no funds or items changes hands.Just repost your items.Things happen in real life that are more important than toy soldiers.

Now if someone does this over and over and over again no one is going to trade with them leaving them with a very low ref number and people will be slow to deal with them verses someone with a higher ref,thats one of the points of the ref sytem I think.
If some backs out of a trade before anything changes hands why give a ref at all?
Giving negative feed back for this would just be petty and vindictive,is that what this place is going to turn into? if so I will just go back to dealing with the devil,aka GW

ancientsociety · Post by **ancientsociety** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:39 pm

Gaijin18 wrote: Giving negative feed back for this would just be petty and vindictive,is that what this place is going to turn into?

QFT, it also opens up the feedback system and BTR forum with a deluge of "he said/he said" arguments

JohnHwangBT · Post by **JohnHwangBT** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:08 pm

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarifications, guys!

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