I need A rules Lawyer/s

nightlord · Post by **nightlord** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:32 am

Ok go pull out your chaos codex.
Look in the book of Khorne,bezerker glaive.

Now am i allowed to take a glaive with deamonic flight????

And if so how does that effect movement when i bezerke from rolling a 1?

Nightlord

Brian Khazad · Post by **Brian Khazad** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:47 am

First, this is probably in the wrong place - there's a specific section in the Discussion Forums for asking rules questions like this.

Second, the two do appear to be mutually exclusive: Berzerker glaive says you're automatically berzerk, while the Daemonic Wings say you're exempt from the Berzerk roll. I have the 2nd printing CSM codex, and it doesn't help at all.

However, the Wargear book DOES clarify the matter. In the entry for the Berzerker Glaive it states: "... and cannot use any special movement modes." (page 39) So according to the Wargear book, no - if he has the Berzerker Glaive, he cannot have Daemonic Flight.

-Dwarf

( 60 ) · Post by **NuWishA** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:12 am

problem here is that Games-Workshop is moronic and won't address the fact that there are three printings of the chaos book out.

In the third printing you cannot take flight or speed with the glaive. (or anything that gives you flight or speed)

The first printing makes no mention of it, only that you always move towards the enemy.

It also says that Doom Sirens function exactly like Banshee Masks, same exact wording.

Third Printing also clarifies Oblits to T 4(5)

Of course you'll find no mention of this in the offical GW Faqs, but since third printing is the latest printing, it would take precedence.

Lord_Nagash · Post by **Lord_Nagash** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:45 pm

I have the latest printing of the codex, and under the listing for Daemon Flight, it does not say that they are exempt from a berserker roll. However, under the glaive rules, you automatically are berserk without having to roll. It only states you cannot use special movement modes. Being that Daemon Flight is a special move ( used as a jump pack) you cannot use them both. If you want the flight, no glaive. If you want the glaive, no flight. You have to move on the ground at normal movement if you take the glaive. Sorry.

Kevin

( 60 ) · Post by **NuWishA** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:06 am

Read the berzerker rule, it states what has to roll and what doesn't have to roll.

Lord_Nagash · Post by **Lord_Nagash** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:30 am

After re-reading I see what has to roll, I apologize. Although since the glaive says no special movement, I would still say you couldn't use the wings with it.

Kevin

Brian Khazad · Post by **Brian Khazad** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:31 am

Thus the reason my Wargear Book was actually a USEFUL purpose. For once it actually clarified one of GW's ambiguous rule conflicts.

-Dwarf

( 60 ) · Post by **NuWishA** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:33 am

the wargear book they published also "clarified" that a terminator has a 3+ armour save.

Great work there, yup yup.

Brian Khazad · Post by **Brian Khazad** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:39 am

At the risk of getting myself in trouble, I can only quote the Road Dogg Jessie James:

"Oh, You didn't KNOW?!?!?! Your a$$ bettah CAAAALLLLLL someboddyyyyyyyyy!!!!"

-Dwarf

( 60 ) · Post by **NuWishA** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:43 am

He was cool until his drug habits got him fired.

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:30 am

Well, obviously the rule has been clarified (oddly enough, as stated already, by the WARGEAR book???), I wanted to mention something else:

First, this is probably in the wrong place - there's a specific section in the Discussion Forums for asking rules questions like this.

Actually, per the rules, this is the correct section. This qualifies as a Message and miscellaneous. It's the catchall section on the Trading side. We've done rules questions here for as long back as I can remember.

Like you said, though... there IS a specific section on the Discussion side for it, though.

Eric

Brian Khazad · Post by **Brian Khazad** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:43 am

Sowwy. Woulda guessed that it wasn't a Trading-based question, so Discussion woulda been better. I shall go hang my head in shame and lash myself 50 times with a wet noodle as penance.

-Dwarf

Lord_Nagash · Post by **Lord_Nagash** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:46 am

Please be sure to post pictures.