Price to start bartering from

[XpresoAdct]

I was wondering why people want to start bartering from a retail price. That is not a position that is realistic. Internet pricing from established businesses are typically 20% to 35% of retail. My offers are usually 10% less than the established retail pricing. I understand someone else may have purchased it at retail from a brick and mortar store, but we don't have that immediate gratification or security of that purchase. There is no advantage to purchasing in the retail or even 35% of retail price range through bartertown.

Unless something is no longer in circulation or in some other limited quantity, I cannot see why people are frustrated with an offer of 45% off retail.

Thoughts other than what a jerk XpresoAdct is?


Edit: oh boy, a typo of one character in my closing remark dramatically changes my intent. I meant to say I usually offer 45% off retail not 45% of retail

[porkuslime]

Are we talking cash price, or trade value?

Trade value - a lot of folks, myself included, use retail as a starting point .. then vary by condition.

As for cash - depends on where they are and access to net-stores, I guess.

[JohnHwangBT]

If we're trading equivalently new stuff, retail for retail is a fair starting place.

[XpresoAdct]

Opps, sorry, I was discussing purchase price. I completely agree trading at retail for retail is the only fair way to go. Unless again, one side as something rare or valuable beyond retail pricing.

[blackspade]

Honestly, I think you should make offers based on what you think things are worth and what you are willing to pay.
This is especially true if they have not put a price that they expect to get.
They should either say no or make a counter-offer.

[aurak_merc]

45% of retail might be acceptable, depending upon condition of the items. It really is just up to the person you are proposing a purchase from. If they think it is too low, then that is that. Personally, unless I really were desperate for cash, I would not sell for less than 50%. I just don't need the cash that badly and if I did, I would sell locally or to a pawn shop to get the money quickly. Heck, with that sort of discount you are likely not getting much money, so you could just sell plasma for a quick $35 or so and keep the models.

I have had people offer me less than 25% of retail for models (with shipping included no less), and it took me a moment to not respond with a snarky comment. I would rather urinate on the models and throw them away rather than take the time to package them, ship them, and wait for a reference that would possibly not come through, or even risk a neutral or negative (in my experience, super cheap o's are nigh impossible to please) for 10 lowsy bucks.

And I don't think you are a jerk. Unless you are one of those people who doesn't respond to pm's, even to just say "no thanks". I wish for those who do that to have some "bad" Mexican food. The night before their birthday. A birthday during which the only presents they get are socks.

[MagickalMemories]

Unless something is no longer in circulation or in some other limited quantity, I cannot see why people are frustrated with an offer of 45% of retail.

If my stuff was MIB, NOS or off sprue but otherwise like new (no paint, primer, etc.) and complete, I'd be annoyed as Hell at an offer of 45% of retail. If you're just going to assemble and paint it yourself, it hasn't lost 25% of it's value (IMO) just for being in less-than-new condition.

The response you got from me wouldn't even be an attempt to haggle. It would be a simple thanks for the PM, but with the acknowledgement that our starting prices are too far apart to even bother haggling.

Eric

[XpresoAdct]

I am embarrassed, I meant to say an offer of 45% off retail.
But aside from that, I think the price for retail is the lowest established price available, not MSRP. That lowest established price is the "new in shrink wrap" price and haggling prices start at some percentage off that. I have made offers less than 45% off, but that is for something that is an impulse buy that I in no way need.

[Norseman]

I find 65% of retail a common purchase price for NIB, Assembled, and Primed models. 55% is a little low in my books but there is definite times when it would be fair. I would say if something is painted lower than tabletop, I would go to 55% of retail especially if it is plastic(doesn't strip as well). If it is a older model that is not as nice as the most recent model 55% of retail. If you are buying a LARGE lot 55% of retail.

As in everything anything is possible, and I am not saying that 55% of retail is fair in EVERY situation I stated. All i am saying is that I find it feasible. if someone offered me 55% of retail on a lower than tabletop army i would not be offended. However if that same army was just primed I do not think I would be as happy.

[MagickalMemories]

I am embarrassed, I meant to say an offer of 45% off retail.

Honestly, you'd get the same reaction, presuming the rest of the details of my earlier post were the same.

But aside from that, I think the price for retail is the lowest established price available, not MSRP. That lowest established price is the "new in shrink wrap" price and haggling prices start at some percentage off that. I have made offers less than 45% off, but that is for something that is an impulse buy that I in no way need.

I agree that 20% off retail is the base line for negotiations for most people online. The thing is, though, that it's all relative. We have no set rules on it, and it's up to the individual to value theor own models. If they can get retail for them, then good for them!

Eric

[eman1_2]

My perspective is a bit differnet, though. Just proving that 'it depends'.

New (either in box / on sprue), the most I will go is 70%. I can buy it at 20% off locally, so why bother unless I can save?

As soon as I consider it used (primed / painted / converted), I value it at about 50% - whether I am buying or selling.

Assembled, no paint - somewhere in between.

[MagickalMemories]

My perspective is a bit differnet, though. Just proving that 'it depends'.

New (either in box / on sprue), the most I will go is 70%. I can buy it at 20% off locally, so why bother unless I can save?

As soon as I consider it used (primed / painted / converted), I value it at about 50% - whether I am buying or selling.

Assembled, no paint - somewhere in between.

At 70% (again - IMO), it's not an annoying offer. Offering 70% of retail is different than offering 55%, though. KWIM?

Eric

[mardaddy601]

Despite this being BARTERtown, I actually hate haggling. The price I start bartering from is the value I put on the item. If it is an item I want, my offer is going to be higher than if I am getting rid of an item and want to clear it out.

Retail value, schmetail value, does not matter a whit...

Like a good Market Capitalist, I believe perceived need and availability at a given point in time dictate the value of any item during that point in time and that's it.

[ssapper]

How about:
Buy low Sell High,
ts all about getting the most bang out of your buck, otherwise we would not shop around on Bartertown, looking for amazing deals.

Here are my thoughts, A new mini still in the package has more value than a new opened mini, simply because it retains a better market value, and on OOP (or when it becomes OOP in a year or so at GW rate)
it will be worh its weight in lead. But when you open it, it is just like a new car, the second you buy it it drops 10 grand off the value.

It all comes down to how bad you want to buy or sell something, and how much the other party is willing to pay or lose to get it or get rid of it.
Hense Bartering,
I have sold things on here for about 25% retail just to get them off my workbence and into someones hands who could use them, and I find things at more than 50% off all the time.
Thats why I bargin hunt around here.

Besides where else can you find so many great bits, figs and games.

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