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hey bartertown peeps -

Been considering getting rid of a couple armies laying about and starting up a new army and sticking to it til the end.
(I mean actually finishing an army for a change)

I had a couple questions for those in the know.

1. Regarding the new Death Company boxes : So you get 5 marines in the box, but with the extra bits, how many other marines could I "dress up" as Death Company with the included bits?

2. Is it possible to field a Dreadnaught heavy army? If so, how many could I fit into a 2000 pt list?

3. Can the Stormraven be taken as a dedicated transport?

Just trying to put together a few ideas in my head before I take the jump into something else.
Anyone can help with those questions would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
Randy

RPLYMILL wrote:hey bartertown peeps -

Been considering getting rid of a couple armies laying about and starting up a new army and sticking to it til the end.
(I mean actually finishing an army for a change)

I had a couple questions for those in the know.

1. Regarding the new Death Company boxes : So you get 5 marines in the box, but with the extra bits, how many other marines could I "dress up" as Death Company with the included bits?

2. Is it possible to field a Dreadnaught heavy army? If so, how many could I fit into a 2000 pt list?

3. Can the Stormraven be taken as a dedicated transport?

Just trying to put together a few ideas in my head before I take the jump into something else.
Anyone can help with those questions would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
Randy

1) If you don't go too heavy, you could easily do 10 with this box. If you're REALLY skimpy, maybe 12 - 15. They'd look a bit crappy then, though. I'd stick with the ten.

2) Three Furioso Dreads as Elites, Three Dreads as Heavies. You can take 1 Death Co. Dread as a troop per 5 Death Co models in your army. Standard Furioso or Death Co is 125. Standard Heavy is 105. So, 375 + 375 + 315 = 1065 with no upgrades. Nine Dreads with the right layout of HQ & Troops. Hope you don't draw an "objectives" scenario with this army.

3) Nope.

Eric

Actually, it's totally ridiculous and can't take objectives AT ALL, but you can have 11 Dreadnoughts in a Blood Angel army. You could, for your 6 troops selections in a standard force org., take a unit of 25 Death Company which would allow you to take 5 Death Company Dreads. That with the three in elites and three in heavy support would give you 11 Dreads. I'm just disappointed the Librarian Dread can't be taken as an HQ choice. You could *almost* make a 100% Dread army. Or take a Librarian for HQ and paint them in Iyanden colors to make them look like a wannabe wraith army.

Hadn't thought about the "25 in one unit" Death Co.

You're right. Eleven Dreads.
Ridiculous.

At the points given, and with NO upgrades, that's 1315 in Dreads... Can you get 25 Death Company and an HQ for 685?
I'm presuming you're going to want those Dreads in Drop Pods, too. Yes? If so, that's 385 points in Pods... Probably can't be done at 2000 points.
I could see a RIDICULOUS 'Ard boys army here, though. LOL It would give you 800 points to put locators on half those pods and buy your troops & HQ.
As long as you tabled your opponent and hid those Death Co SM until the last couple turns, you'd be fine.

Eric

20 points each, no upgrades, 25 death co is only 500 points.

No need for drop pods, really. All 5 death co dreads have fleet - that gets you across the board. I think most lists would have trouble taking down more than 1 or 2 a turn. I think it would be a very viable list as is, on foot.

I don't play BA often and, when I do, I don't use Death Co. So, please forgive the following question:

How good are Death Co with no upgrades, though? I mean, really, many of the Dreads you'd be fielding in this list aren't that great w/o upgrades.

Eric

No upgrade furiouso and death co dread still have either 2 blood fists or 2 blood talons. Armor 13 for the furiousos, 12 for the death co, but they ignore shaken and stunned. Maybe drop a deth co dread, and buy extra armor for the three furiousos. That would be it.

3 regular dreads have dread ccw and multi-melta. Decent weapon mix, IMO.

25 death co = 100 S5 I5 attacks on a charge. Not too shabby. With that many attacks, they don't need power weapons.

Not saying it is a be all, end all list. But I see it being very viable - that is a lot of targets to shoot at, and virtually every armies core troops cannot hurt it.

Can I just say this?

As a primarily NON BA player, I frigging HATE Blood Talons.
I cannot see why you'd take a furioso without them. : )

Eric

thanks for the insight gentlemen.

Another thought I had was running some 5 man squads of Death Company in Razorbacks to mix-n-match in the ranks of dreads for those objective based missions.

I'm really liking the Stormraven models as well, perhaps one used as a transport for a command squad of sorts?

That's going to depend on how many Dreads you want to run.
The base Chickenhawk... err... Stormraven... goes for, like, 200 points.
That's 2 of your dreads.
IMO, it doesn't have a huge lasting power and isn't worth the price.

Eric

RPLYMILL wrote:thanks for the insight gentlemen.

Another thought I had was running some 5 man squads of Death Company in Razorbacks to mix-n-match in the ranks of dreads for those objective based missions.

I'm really liking the Stormraven models as well, perhaps one used as a transport for a command squad of sorts?

I have to double check my BA codex, but I seem to remember that Death Company cannot hold objectives (they don't count as scoring).

Yup. Page 44 under Black Rage. "Death Company never count as a scoring unit." So they could contest, but not hold them for you.

So, there you go.
It would be a "Table your opponent or hope for a draw" army.

Honestly, running across the table? You're going to lose more than anything else with this hypothetical list, I'd wager.
You'd be better off sacrificing for Pods, so you can get in his face faster. If your group uses FW rules like mine does, you can pay extra for the Pods that allow your Dreads to assault out of 'em! LOL

Eric

Okay.
For the heck of it, I decided to build a list.

This is, IMO, non-competetive and will lose 90% of the games you play with it (simple estimate based on nothing tangible).
That said, it's almost guaranteed to have your opponent sh*tting bricks and will be LOADS of fun to play.

Capt. in Pwr Armor with P-Fist & Storm Shield
15 Death Company (1x P-Wpn, 1x hand Flamer, 1x Infernus Pistol) [had points to spend)
3x Death Co Dreads with Blood Talons & Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod (Drop Pod for dreads - Assault Vehicle)
3x Furioso Dreads with Blood Talons & Lucius Pattern DDP
3x Standard Dreadnoughts (DCCW & Multi Melta) & Lucius Pattern DDP

That comes to exactly 2000 points.

So, on turn 1, that is 5 Dreads (3x Probably Furioso's and 2x Death Co) and the other 4 drop via reserves.
Of course, the Dreads dropped can vary, depending on what you're facing. Seeing a lot of armor? Drop the Multi Meltas. Blow up transports & assault what's inside. LOL

In addition to all that, you've got 16 guys hauling *ss across the table from you, trying to get all up in your bidnezz. Oh, yeah... and they're fearless. LOL

Also, there are characters that you can drop in by eliminating your HQ and some/all of the special weapons on the Death Co. If you did that AND made 2 Drop Pods into regular ones, you'd have 220 points (enough for Astorath to come in and increase your rage!).

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Okay.

3x Death Co Dreads with Blood Talons & Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod (Drop Pod for dreads - Assault Vehicle)

Eric

The masochist in me has to ask - where can one find these "Lucius Pattern Drop Pod" rules? And do you have to buy the extra large Drop Pod model that forgeworld sells, or can you just use your bog standard plastic pod?

Just....curious.

-AC

The rules are in one of the Imperial Armor books. I honestly couldn't tell you which without Army Builder handy (and I'm at work).
In a typical setting/tournament where they're allowed, I'd imagine that you have to have the particular model. In my group, we just use the standard GW Pods. We don't care about it that much.

Eric