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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by DavrosRTS » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:38 am

I thought about coming back and trying 40k again. But there is no way now that everything is so different from the last time I played in 3rd edition. Sad part now also it is a game that has priced itself out of the range of many people thinking about playing. $30 for 3 plastic Terminators? And Gawd forbid if I want to even think of rebuilding an Ork Crew.
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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by pretre » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:08 am

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I thought about coming back and trying 40k again. But there is no way now that everything is so different from the last time I played in 3rd edition. Sad part now also it is a game that has priced itself out of the range of many people thinking about playing. $30 for 3 plastic Terminators? And Gawd forbid if I want to even think of rebuilding an Ork Crew.
Really, it isn't much different from 3rd to 8th than it was from 2nd to 3rd. Things are different, but it it just 40k.

But you have a solid point on the second part of your post... If only there were a place where you could pick up used miniatures for an affordable price.
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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by nightlord » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:32 am

Well how about that. GW releases index books and suddenly GW says Codexs are next. I'm speechless. My local Game store put up 3000.00 for indexs alone. ANd now hes stuck with dead inventory, for 8th edition, already; and 8th edition isent even 6 months old . I mean who wants to buy a book that will be useless in a matter of months anyway. Grant ya the marine one will still be useful for blood angels and dark angel players.(FOR NOW) But Grey Knight and generic marine players just got shafted again by good ole GW. And they may have put my local game shop out of business. WOW...

He even offered a 10% discount if you bought one of each. ANd people still held back because of the recent lost of all the codexs we just lost going from 7th to 8th.

And like the guy said the prices for figures alone is making the game harder to reach for any new players want to get into the game. I remember when the "NEW" Land Raider first came out it retailed for 45.00. Now its up to 75.00 for just one vehicle alone. Ask a kid if he would prefer buying a single model for 75.00 or 15+ boosters of Magic cards. Or maybe the next Playstaion video game that him and all his friends can play with online with?? And he dosent even have to build or paint it.

Why does GW charge 35.00 for a single RESIN commander and Privateer Press only charge 12-18.00 for a commander figures made of METAL??

IM glad I only bought the ONE index. Its still useful for my Blood Angels and Dark Angels armies.

Its like GW is almost trying to scare away new players.

And to give you an IDEA of how Bad GW is compared to other Gameing companies. A different Gameing shop in this area dosent carry anything GW. He now employs 3 additional workers and the entire store was payed for and profited in less the a year.

Wait I just looked at GWs site. 70.00 for 2 Primaris Heros???!!! 70.00 for (2) 35mm plastic character models. HOLY SHEET!!!! Has GW lost their minds???!!! Thats their way of drawing in NEW players??? WOW...Oh I'm sorry, the "FREE" PDF file for match play is online. ROFLMAO!!!!
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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by pretre » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:04 pm

Dude, we get it, you hate GW.
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Post by akum » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:43 pm

lol, so true

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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by kturock » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:20 pm

I've been playing on and off since Rogue Trader, none of his rant is new; or even something that I haven't said before.
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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by MagickalMemories » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:44 am

Okay, Nightlord. We get it. You don't like GW. Got ya.
Here's the deal, though... this is about EIGHTH EDITION CHANGES. Nothing else.
If you want to complain about GW's pricing structure, release schedule or anything else, please do it elsewhere. By "elsewhere," I don't mean a different SITE, just not THIS thread. Start a separate thread... you'll find a LOT of people who agree with you (myself included).

If you want to complain about what GW did to the rules, then go for it.

As for your local store possibly going out of business... well, that's on them. I mean, $3k worth of INDEXES? That means he bought TWO HUNDRED indexes. That's FORTY of each index? If the guy's going to make that kind of a horrible business decision, he might want to consider a new line of business. I mean, I doubt the big online retailers bought that many on first release.

And, as for the new codices coming out? Once again, GW was up front about what they were doing. They released these books so that we could all use all of our armies immediately, rather than waiting for a new codex. Had they released no codices, or just one or 2, they'd have heard far more complaints about that.

Back on topic....

I don't like Power Level. Last night, a couple buddies and I (finally) got around to going through the rules. They just grabbed a couple random squads. Power level 16 Chaos and Power level 14 Tau. Yes. Chaos had him outpointed in that matter... but the butt stomping that chaos put on Tau was ridiculous. One whole unit dead on turn 1 and part of the second... Bottom of Turn 1, the tau player put the dead squad back on the table, just to have more experience with shooting... they took out, like, three Thousand Sons. ALL of them.

I don't like the change to Obliterators, either. Random roll for Str, AP and # wounds per shot? Ugh.
I get it, the change will make tanks look that much better in comparison again... but I hope they give them weapon choices again in the codex!

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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by 3eland » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:16 am

Do not build lists with power Levels. Power levels are for Narrative or Open play games, NOT matched. They are so unbalanced that little Canadian babies cry when people talk about playing by Power Level. Do you want little babies to cry Eric? Innocent, kind, caring, apologetic Canadian babies? No. Because those babies will grow up and remember the time you played by Power Level and made them cry. They will hunt you down, kick your ass, and then buy you a drink while declaring how sorry they are.

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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by akum » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:44 pm

I disagree with you guys about power level. I ONLY play power level if I can help it, too many mistakes for people using points, too much time making lists, more fun playing with all the toys.
There is a great article about it on frontline gaming, I pretty much agree on all of these points:

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/06 ... urnaments/

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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by MagickalMemories » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:26 pm

3e,

Those Canadian babies won't cry if they're playing Power level 16 CSM and I'm playing Power Level 16 Fire Warriors! LOL

@akum: FLG is work-blocked. I'll keep an eye out for it later. I'll keep an open mind, but I'm in serious doubt that it'll change how I feel.

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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by pael » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:07 pm

I hope someone makes an app that puts all the points for every unit, in a nice little package soon.

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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by MagickalMemories » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:26 am

Just give it time. I anticipate two things will happen:
1) Army Builder, battlescribe, etc will update their details eventually
2 GW will come out with something of their own.

The commercial ones will be better in that they'll continue to put all the details they currently do. GW's won't On the other hand, GWs will be updated far more often. I read something about someone putting out a GW army builder tool. GW liked it, promoted it, and eventually bought (?) it. It's NOW official. They'll leverage that tool to make a similar one for 40K to try to put the second party apps out of business.

Those are my predictions.

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Post by akum » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:48 am

you gots to change ur pic MM!

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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by nightlord » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:00 pm

You're not seeing the point. I remember online where a GW rep made comment about attracting "NEW" players to the game . But the over all costs and the amount of All the 7th edition codexs kept people away from the game. And that was one of the reasons for the new 8th edition system. Not to mention it needed updating anyway. And yet GW dragged even more money out of its potential NEW fans by turning recently bought indexs into fire place starters in less then a year. Instead of controlling the prices of their game figures. I'm not saying I hate GW. But when are people gonna start standing against them instead of praising them like a bunch of fan boys.

Yes 8th edition cleaned up the rules; and maybe for now sped up the game. But at what costs to the consumer and to the local gaming store trying to earn a living???
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Re: What do you think about the "NEW" 8th edition changes???

Post by pretre » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:06 pm

nightlord wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:00 pm
You're not seeing the point. I remember online where a GW rep made comment about attracting "NEW" players to the game . But the over all costs and the amount of All the 7th edition codexs kept people away from the game. And that was one of the reasons for the new 8th edition system. Not to mention it needed updating anyway. And yet GW dragged even more money out of its potential NEW fans by turning recently bought indexs into fire place starters in less then a year. Instead of controlling the prices of their game figures. I'm not saying I hate GW. But when are people gonna start standing against them instead of praising them like a bunch of fan boys.

Yes 8th edition cleaned up the rules; and maybe for now sped up the game. But at what costs to the consumer and to the local gaming store trying to earn a living???
They were very clear about what the indexes were for. I have no idea, as MM said, why a store would order that many indexes or why their sales rep wouldn't have warned them. That sounds like the LGS had no idea what they were doing.
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