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Posted: **Sun May 17, 2009 9:32 pm**

Hi Folks.

I hate to be on this role but it seems some people only take us seriously when we go to this point

Per messages below you can see I have an ongoing purchase with Dan AKA DanWeber and he is failing on doing his part. Long Story short, we negotiated, I paid him 13 days ago and he simply disappeared then. I already checked and he HAS visited the site after the money was sent but he is simply ignoring my messages and my attempts to contact him.

I HAVE NOT started the claim at paypal for I decide to give him a chance to explain himself and take some actions about the situation here. I'm also looking for advise from the admins to identify when would be the correct moment to start the claim at paypal.

Enough said - messages below:

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:10 pm
by PauloF
Hey Friend,

here is my lists of interests - let me know if you still have them and we can go from there!

4 Trollblood Long Riders partial assembly (80)
1 Trollblood epic Madrak assembled (18)
1 Trollblood Extreme Dire Troll Mauler partial assembly (50)
1 Trollblood Earthblood Dire Troll partial assembly (50)
1 Trollblood Bouncer NIB (27)
1 Minion Feralgeist unassembled (10)
1 Cryx Deathjack NIB (55)
4 Cryx Black Ogrun unassembled (48)
1 Cryx Bloat Thrall unassembled (22)
1 Cryx Skarre Pirate Queen assembled/primed black (9)
1 Cryx Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast unassembled (16)

would you go for USD 190 + Shipping?

here is the address,

PAULO FERNANDES
R. VOLUNTÁRIOS DA PATRIA 4877 - OFFICE 46
SÃO PAULO - BRAZIL - ZIP CODE 02401-400
PHONE 55 11 27370126

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:15 pm
by DanWeber
Paulo,

I have these still available:
1 Trollblood Earthblood Dire Troll partial assembly (50)
1 Minion Feralgeist unassembled (10)
1 Cryx Deathjack NIB (55)
4 Cryx Black Ogrun unassembled (48)
1 Cryx Bloat Thrall unassembled (22)

These are on hold pending trades, but I have a feeling a couple might free back up.
4 Trollblood Long Riders partial assembly (80)
1 Trollblood epic Madrak assembled (18)
1 Trollblood Extreme Dire Troll Mauler partial assembly (50)
1 Trollblood Bouncer NIB (27)
1 Cryx Skarre Pirate Queen assembled/primed black (9)
1 Cryx Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast unassembled (16)

I'll put the ones available on hold for you and if you don't mind waiting a day or two, let you know what happens with the others.

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:19 pm
by PauloF
no problem - the one i want the most is the Extreme Mauler - the rest are wants but not desperately!

thanks

Paulo
• Quote DanWeber
Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:33 pm
by PauloF
hey Dan,

how is everything coming along?

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:51 pm
by PauloF
hey Dan,

do you have a final word for me? I'm sorry for being a pain in the nuts but i have another potential lot i can buy but i gave my word to you first so i would like to hear from you before i engage someone else

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:37 am
by DanWeber
Paulo,

Sorry for ignoring you. I've been ill the past couple of days and hadn't been online. I'm still lighting fires under my pendings, but if you find another lot before I can get back to you, I totally understand. Hopefully I can have a solid list for you tomorrow that includes the Extreme DT.

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:05 pm
by PauloF
hey Dan,

havent bought anything yet - do you have news for me?

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:10 pm
by DanWeber
Well,

Here's the updated list:

I have these still available:
1 Trollblood Earthblood Dire Troll partial assembly (50)
1 Minion Feralgeist unassembled (10)
1 Cryx Deathjack NIB (55)
4 Cryx Black Ogrun unassembled (48)
1 Cryx Bloat Thrall unassembled (22)
1 Cryx Skarre Pirate Queen assembled/primed black (9)
1 Cryx Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast unassembled (16)

These are gone now:
4 Trollblood Long Riders partial assembly (80)
1 Trollblood epic Madrak assembled (18)
1 Trollblood Extreme Dire Troll Mauler partial assembly (50)
1 Trollblood Bouncer NIB (27)

Sorry about the EDTM. Let me know if you're still interested in any of the available stuff.

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:32 pm
by DanWeber
Paulo,

I think the 3 opened Long Riders are going to be available. It looks like the guy who had committed to them is going to drop them off his list.

Sorry for the back and forth.

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:18 am
by PauloF
iá i'll give you a final word on what in a couple hours - i got a lot coming and i have to double check for any repeated models!

will be with you soon!!

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:05 am
by PauloF
no problem on the Extreme Mauler - it is what it is

take out of my list the Black Orgruns and add the Long Riders then and we are set up.

i need your paypal and here is my address:

ATT: Paulo Leonardo Carrião Fernandes

R. VOLUNTÁRIOS DA PATRIA 4877 - OFFICE 46
SÃO PAULO - BRAZIL - ZIP 02401-400

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:04 pm
by DanWeber
Ok,

Here's what I have, can you confirm it's correct:

1 Trollblood Earthblood Dire Troll partial assembly (50)
1 Minion Feralgeist unassembled (10)
1 Cryx Deathjack NIB (55)
1 Cryx Bloat Thrall unassembled (22)
1 Cryx Skarre Pirate Queen assembled/primed black (9)
1 Cryx Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast unassembled (16)
3 Trollblood Long Riders partial assembly (60)
at 50% of retail: $111 + shipping.

I can check shipping this evening and let you know what that will run.

My paypal is danweber9999@sbcglobal.net when we're ready.

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:04 pm
by PauloF
confirmed,

see if you can get the flat rate box shipped global express - that would be my preferred!

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:59 pm
by DanWeber
Your wish is my command.

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:26 am
by DanWeber
Paulo,

I'm sorry if I haven't touched base for a couple days, been swamped here. I will be going into the post office to see if I can get the global box for you. I have everything packed up and in an unsealed box just in case. I'll have your shipping total to you tomorrow afternoon my time (it's currently 8:30pm).

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:15 am
by PauloF
i have another lot on the watch Dan - Please let's try to close this at the next couple days!

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:44 pm
by DanWeber
Paulo,

Here's the shipping:

He told me the Global Express rate was $113 US, but I didn't think that was right.

Also:

Priority Mail International Flat Rate Box (3-5 days) $41.95
First Class International box (6-10) $22.65

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:57 pm
by PauloF
no problem

pack them up.

would USD 150 round be ok for you?

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:01 pm
by DanWeber
Sure, I'm assuming you want the Priority Shipping ($41).

here's my paypal: danweber9999@sbcglobal.net

I'll have it in the mail ASAP to (to reconfirm):

ATT: Paulo Leonardo Carrião Fernandes

R. VOLUNTÁRIOS DA PATRIA 4877 - OFFICE 46
SÃO PAULO - BRAZIL - ZIP 02401-400

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:03 pm
by PauloF
great,

that's the right address,

please dont forget to declare them as used toys and the value as low as you think fair to go so I dont go crazy paying unfair import taxes

I'll get your cash tomorrow first thing (waiting my credit card limit to clean up)

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:09 pm
by DanWeber
You bet. I'm happy to lowball it all for you. What's a 'safe' value for Brazil?

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:17 pm
by PauloF
50 US - it's going to be a light box so anything round USd 30 will be fine

thanks for that extra hand Dan

P

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon May 04, 2009 6:49 pm
by DanWeber
Paulo,

Were you sending $$ to paypal?

Dan

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Mon May 04, 2009 7:33 pm
by DanWeber
Zero worries, wasn't sure if maybe I'd given you a wrong account name.

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Tue May 05, 2009 9:26 am
by PauloF
money sent Dan

will be looking fw to the shippment

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Fri May 08, 2009 3:28 pm
by PauloF
hey Dan,

havent heard about the shipment - have you done it already?

do you have the tracking number for it please?

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Wed May 13, 2009 9:44 pm
by PauloF
hey Dan,

still no word on the shipment

thanks

Paulo

Re: H: WM/H, WHFB, W: $$, 40K
Sent: Fri May 15, 2009 9:28 am
by PauloF
ok Dan,

I was the most patient I could be to this point. if I dont get the tracking number, ACCORDING TO OUR AGREEMENT, from you at the next couple hours I will start a claim at Pay Pal to get my money back.

Paulo

Posted: **Sun May 17, 2009 10:43 pm**

I'm going to speak up on this for the simple fact that I had a trade going with Dan as well. Mine took a while to get rolling, but Dan has provided a tracking number to me so all is wel on my part. I am speaking up in defense of DanWeber. He obviously had lots of trouble in the end getting some things out, but like I said, he did get mine out after a long delay, but he said he had some difficulties arrive with illness and drama.

I'm not telling you that everything will be "all right", I'm just saying that he may take more time than usual. And then adding in the fact that you live in Brazil, even after it gets going, the customs boys are gonna have to take their own sweet time. I remember that from when I sent a package to you, and even then a tracking number may not be an option without the global express (kturock would be the best one to ask that one to). I seem to remember some difficulty in getting one for our deal.

Now, however, the customs declaratory thing...that's a whole different can of worms so to speak.

Anyway, back to point. As a reference, even after a delay, I DID get mine from Dan, so it's not a dead issue. Hopefully Dan will contact you.

Posted: **Sun May 17, 2009 11:05 pm**

yup.. theres only a couple ways to track international orders...both are expensive.

i suggest you file a claim with paypal, before it gets too latte. i believe you only have 30 calender days to file. you can always drop the paypal claim, and release the funds..
you never know, the notice from paypal might be enough to get him to ship.

just my suggestions.

Posted: **Sun May 17, 2009 11:41 pm**

thanks Stan and Kturok,

you guys have dealt with me in the past and I believe I was reasonable all the way to the end of our deals or quotes - my problem here is NO ANSWERS, NO CONTACTS, NOTHING whatsoever - I would've understood problems or issues being soved but simply leaving me to my thoughts is not cool, specially since he was very accurate following up the payment and had come here a couple times since the money was sent,

I hope for the same as you Stan!

regards

Paulo

Posted: **Mon May 18, 2009 3:30 am**

Paulo, I think you were right in posting this.
If you and I were in a trade and I went that long without contacting you, I'd fully expect you to file one on me... So...

There are a couple points I want to address...

Regardless of his history, as I hinted at above, this long without contact is unsatisfactory.

Also, and I feel the need to address this ONLY because it's been posted.

Bartertown does not support willfully misleading information on Customs forms.
What you do in private is YOUR business. If it becomes public knowledge, however, a staff member WILL speak out against it on the record.

Your time fram with PayPal is 45 days. File now... like this second... stop reading Bartertown and file with PayPal, then come back. The sooner you file, the better chance you have of getting your $ back. if it turns out he was legitimately detained (hospital, etc) or you receive your models, you can always cancel your claim or send the money back.

Eric

Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 12:05 am**

I agree file with paypal early and if he comes through you can tidy it up later. No point waiting with your pants around your ankles

Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 1:24 pm**

Updating:

I just got a message from him apologizing and a Tracking Number. Looks like all is fine.

Dont know if i should wait for the box before you guys shut it down, but I think he was just facing some family issues!

thanks

Paulo

Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 2:54 pm**

Post here when the box arrives. If all is good, we'll close the thread as resolved.

Thanks.

Eric

Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 9:32 pm**

PauloF wrote:Updating:

I just got a message from him apologizing and a Tracking Number. Looks like all is fine.

Dont know if i should wait for the box before you guys shut it down, but I think he was just facing some family issues!

thanks

Paulo

Go to USPS.COM. if it was mailed in the US and enter the number he gave you, and make sure the number exists. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I always check to verify that it is a good number. Somethimes it takes up 24 hours for a good number to show up in the online system.

Posted: **Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:30 pm**

Was just directed here by a friend.

Didn't realize I'd been added to the Bad Trader list. I did have some personal issues, although that's no excuse for not getting back to Paulo sooner...

Tracking was sent, package arrived in Brazil last week, and I believe it's been delivered. I'll wait for Paulo to come onto the thread and confirm this, but wanted to be sure I'd put in an appearance and publicly apologized for the concerns and delay.

Posted: **Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:49 pm**

Hey, Dan...
Thanks for posting personally.
At this point, i'm sure there were many here presuming the worst.

Once Paulo posts in the thread that the box was received and everything was as listed, I'll lock it and mark it resolved.

Eric

Posted: **Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:44 pm**

Hey guys,

box arrived on the Weekend to me, all seems fine at first glance. Given Dan's conditions I'll DEFINITELY consider this a solved issue - dropping the Paypal claim right away!

Regards

Paulo

Posted: **Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:06 pm**

Good to hear.
I'm going to lock this and mark it resolved.
Paulo, if you find something wrong (within the next day) that you didn't notice at first, LMK.

Thanks.

Eric

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