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I hate to have to place this ad, but my problems with The Drop Zone have been going on for months and it's getting pretty ridiculous.

Last October I contacted The Drop Zone to order a LE German Champion of Tzeentch and inquired about placing a rather large order for bitz and some game dice as well. Everything seemed to go smoothly, the bitz took about a month to arrive, and the LE model and dice took a little longer to arrive (one set of dice never showed though). I was fine with this because I wasn't in a huge hurry or anything and I was being updated regularly about the order.

My order finally shipped early December, and when it arrived a few of the bits that had arrived were missing. I promptly contacted The Drop Zone to let them know of the problem, and it was from this point everything quickly went downhill. My emails were commonly ignored for weeks, and when I received responses I was usually told that a replacement order had been placed and that the bits should arrive soon. Next I hear the replacement bits order was also missing one of the bits, so another order needed to be placed.

Fine, I'm patient, but now I can't even get a response to any of my messages. I've been sending them for weeks and don't hear anything back, all the while I'm seeing The Drop Zone post ads on BT for things such as raffles and items for sale. I think the laziness in correcting this order and dealing with the situation is unbelievable. I was hoping to place future orders with The Drop Zone, but this whole ordeal has definitely given me something to think about. I understand GW can be hard to deal with, but I think a bits order placed in October should be finalized by February/March of the next year, and at the very least he could bother to respond to my inquiries.

I don't know what else to do, besides warn other BT members about The Drop Zone's terrible customer service. I'd definitely think twice about ordering from them again.

You have 24 hours to follow our Bad Trader Report rules otherwise this thread gets nuked.

[Edit]

Thank You.

Here's the few messages I still have saved from this purchase. Obviously I don't have all of them because this has been going on for months and BT doesn't save sent message for that long. I've sent a few additional recent messages that for some reason aren't showing up in the "sent" box, not sure why (BT crash?). I also have the original order messages done through my email if you guys think they're necessary to see.

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From: The Drop Zone ( 136 )
To: uatu13
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: Missing Bits?
Jeff i could have sworn i sent you a reply
re send me the list of all missing parts and i will call gw tomorrw and gte them with the last bitz order i am placing.. too many problems im not taking any more bitz orders

did we not do payment through paypal?
if we did you can go to your paypal account and see exactly what you sent in for payment

if not ill have to go in and check
Robert

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The Drop Zone
3700 Avenue of the carolinas
Ft Mill SC 29708
www.dropzoneonline.ecrater.com
thedropzoneonline@gmail.com

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From: The Drop Zone ( 136 )
To: uatu13
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: Missing Bits?
i dont think so as they werent out then but i have some in stock if you want em still
R

_________________
The Drop Zone
3700 Avenue of the carolinas
Ft Mill SC 29708
www.dropzoneonline.ecrater.com
thedropzoneonline@gmail.com

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From: The Drop Zone ( 136 )
To: uatu13
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: Missing Bits?
Jeff
bitz have been ordered

i dont have an exact item based receipt i have one for ethe entire total
thats all
if you want to send me the list of what you ordered i can check it all against the billing
R

_________________
The Drop Zone
3700 Avenue of the carolinas
Ft Mill SC 29708
www.dropzoneonline.ecrater.com
thedropzoneonline@gmail.com

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From: The Drop Zone ( 136 )
To: uatu13
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: Missing Bits
should be in the store monday i have tracking info on what was sent
Sorry
Rob

_________________
The Drop Zone
3700 Avenue of the carolinas
Ft Mill SC 29708
www.dropzoneonline.ecrater.com
thedropzoneonline@gmail.com

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From: The Drop Zone ( 136 )
To: uatu13
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: Missing Bits
all but drazhars right arm they sent the wrong one again
Rob

_________________
The Drop Zone
3700 Avenue of the carolinas
Ft Mill SC 29708
www.dropzoneonline.ecrater.com
thedropzoneonline@gmail.com

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From: The Drop Zone ( 136 )
To: uatu13
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Missing Bits
yes sir
i ahve already went one better ordered a blister ill just pull the correct arm
R

_________________
The Drop Zone
3700 Avenue of the carolinas
Ft Mill SC 29708
www.dropzoneonline.ecrater.com
thedropzoneonline@gmail.com

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From: uatu13 ( 242 )
To: The Drop Zone
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:17 pm
Subject: Missing Bits
Hey, did you ever send the missing bits out? It's been over 3 months since I placed a rather larger order and it seems a little silly things haven't been resolved by now. Let me know.

Jeff Wille

Did you ever receive the LE German Lord of Tzeentch? A delay on that model can be understandable based on overseers shipping, customs etc etc. I really can't say much since you did not include all of your correspondence. At least you should post what your order was to explain exactly what did not arrive. At this point in time since TDZ discontinued bits orders, I would just suggest asking for a refund. If he refuses, take legal action and file a police report at your local department and his local police department. A good store owner would just eat it and refund you your money being such a small order as you claim.

Here's the original order messages done through my email address:

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yes i can get you 1
no problems
Thanks
Robert


On 10/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, I was wondering if you had any more of the LE German Tzeentch Champion
models left? Let me know, thanks!

Jeff

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Jeff
bitz orders are 20% off with free shipping on a 20.00 bitz order
thats the only way i make enough to cover shipping i dont make anything off of bitz by themselves
Robert


On 10/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Cool. I was also interested in possibly doing a bits order. You said bits
orders are 20% off GW prices with free shipping, but would the shipping for
the order of the bits and the LE champion still be free? Let me know,
thanks!

Jeff

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i suppose i can throw it all in in one box:)
R


On 10/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
The $20 limit wouldn't be a problem, I was just wondering if the LE Tzeentch
champ would be shipped with the bits and be covered by the free shipping, or
if he would be shipped separately and still require shipping charges?

Jeff

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just wait unilt you gte the entire order i can hold one for you no problems
R


On 10/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Cool, I definitely will take one of the LE tzeentch champs then. I should
have a bits order list put together in the next day or so. Do I need to pay
for the tzeentch champ in order to have it reserved for me, or should I just
pay for everything together? Let me know, thanks!

Jeff

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6-8 days from the time i place the order
R


On 10/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Ok, thanks. Also, I was wondering how long it ususally takes bits orders to
arrive? Thanks again!

Jeff

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no problems
just let me know
R


On 11/1/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, I just wanted to let you know I am still going to purchase the LE
german Tzeentch champ along with a bits order. I'm in the process of
finalizing my order now (it's more complicated than I thought it would be!),
and should have it ready to be placed in the next day or so. Sorry for the
delay and thanks for holding onto the LE model for me.

Jeff Wille

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Jeff
the order is fine
you can call me with a credit card or arrange payment thru paypal, check or money order
my number 704-236-45329
my paypal account rlecomputers@bellsouth.net
total with paypal
125.30 they charge me 4.5% sorry
Thaks
Robert

On 11/3/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, here's the final bits order (as an attached Excel file) I want to place
along with my order for the LE German Tzeentch Champ on Disc; everything
together should come out to $119.80. How do you prefer to receive payment?

Also, I saw you were trading for the LE Bonesinger model on BT, what were
you looking to trade one for? I have several items currently available for
trade listed under my BT screen name (uatu13). I'd also consider trading
items to cover part of this order if that's an option. Let me know, thanks!

Jeff Wille

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From : Robert Eveland <thedropzoneonline>
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sorry with this one
126.90 thru paypal
R


On 11/3/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
I forgot I also need the following added to my bits order list, this should
bring the total with LE German Tzeentch Champ to $121.40 shipped.

Jeff


Name Part Code Quantity Price
Slann Mage Priest Arm 9947020800102 1 $2.00
Stegadon Horn 9947020801616 1 $1.00

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jeff
what service fee are you talking about? you mean the paypal charge? yes thats what they charge me for every transaction placed through them. so by offering discount and free shipping on most everything i cannot take a paypal charge on top of it. i do take credit cards checks etc

and as far as a bonesinger goes im not looking to trade for those i was speaking of the extra basic eldar models i had extra
Robert


On 11/3/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, if I place the order through you directly do you still charge the extra
service fee?

Also, was there anything you were looking to trade a Bonesinger for? Let me
know, thanks!

Jeff Wille

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that is correct
Robert
:)


On 11/3/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, so if I used a credit card directly through you I wouldn't be charged
the additional fees, correct?

Jeff Wille

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you can reach me at my cell
704-236-4329
anytime
Thanks
Robert


On 11/3/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Cool, I'd like to pay by credit card directly through you to avoid the PP
fees. How do I go about doing that?

Jeff Wille

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the le tzeentch is in the mail from germany dated november 8th
i have an eldar codex
the other stuff isnt out just yet but i can get it... all of that same deal 25% off retail
R


On 11/13/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, I was just wondering what the status of the LE German Tzeentch champ
and bits order was?

Also, I was wondering how much you'd charge for the following items
(assuming you have them or can get them when they're released). Let me know,
thanks!

New Eldar Codex
New Orcs and Goblins Codex
Warhammer Fantasy Counter Set
Warhammer 40K Vehicle Damage Dice
Jeff

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no i can add it but it will dleay shipping of all of the stuff
if you dont mind waiitng till it comes out then no big deal
R


On 11/13/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Would it be possible to add the fantasy markers and 40K vehicle dice to my
current order without affecting the free shipping from the bits? Let me
know, thanks!

Jeff

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bitz just came in today belive it or not
i have your le german guy :)
i have your stuff set aside do me a favor with me being gone for 12 days( my dad had a massive heart attack before thanksgiving) hes fine... well hes alive dont know about fine but.... send me what i owe you just to make sure i dont miss something
Robert


On 11/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, I was just wondering if the LE Tzeentch champ and bits had arrived yet?
Also, will you be able to get the 40K dice and fantasy marker sets ordered
in? Let me know, thanks!

Jeff

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yes i can do that.. whatever you want if you want to wait then we can its your call i work for you
:)
no0 i have the bitz order just want to make sure the rest of the stuff is together so i dont miss anything
R


On 11/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Cool, thanks for the update on the stuff. Sorry to hear about your dad, that
really sucks. Feel free to take your time with everything, I know it's
probably a tough time for you.

Did you want me to resend the bits order list (when you say send you what
you owe me)? Also, I was hoping to order a set of the new 40K vehicle dice
and fantasy marker sets that are being released in a week or so. We were
going to hold the order over until they arrived and ship everything at once.
Let me know if you think you'll be able to get them in, thanks!

Jeff Wille

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jeff marker dice were just released should be on its way by wed as soon as they arrive
R

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On 11/27/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Cool, well, I definitely want to order the 40K dice and fantasy marker sets.
Do I need to have my mom call again so you can use her CC, or can it be
added to the current charges? So, in total my order should be as follows:

Bits Order (including the lizardmen bits added through the email I sent)
LE German Tzeentch Champ
40K Vehicle Dice Set
Fantasy Marker Set

So far we've paid for the bits and LE tzeentch champ, so there should be an
additional $13.50 owed for the two accessory sets.

Jeff

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i was supposed to have recived the dice and marker pack on friday i was invoiced for them and they were not there i called gw and im waiting to hear back from them im going to just send your stuff that is here simply because you ahve been waiting too long... so your bitz and le german will go out on monday
Robert


On 12/10/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, I was just checking to see if the dice and marker packs had arrived and
when everything might get shipped out? Let me know, thanks!

Jeff

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Jeff
the were mailed earlier this week... its possible you might have everything tomorrow or monday at the latest ill have to hunt for the receipt i think its at the shop
i do apologise for the slowness of this order
gw supply has gone down hill the last few weeks
and its starting to hurt my business
Robert



On 12/15/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
Hey, I was just wondering if you had an update on when the markers and dice
might arrive? Let me know, thanks.

Jeff

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geram le your bitz and the markers
all of the above
R


On 12/15/06, Jeff Wille <jeffwille1> wrote:
That sucks GW has been draggin their heels. Does the package you sent
include the markers and dice, or have they not show up yet? Let me know,
thanks.

Jeff

I did receive the LE German Champ, the fantasy markers, and most of the bits. I was missing a Drazhar arm, Stegadon horn, Slann priest arm, and Long Drong's Slayer Pirates banner top. I understand this is a relatively small set of bits, but the problem I'm having is he doesn't respond to my messages. I don't want a refund of like $5, I want the complete bits order I originally placed, which shouldn't be hard to do since he has stated the bits are in his possession.

Agreed. You're only missing a few bits that any individual (retailor or not) will be able to access. Again, IMO a faithful retailor would just eat this and ship the bits for a few bucks shipping especially if he already possesses them. Thanks for making yourself a little more clear. So you're really looking at two things. Partially missing order and poor customer service correct?

Pretty much, I wouldn't even have a problem with the bits missing from the original order as long as they would have ever been sent. I think 2-3 months is long enough to correct a problem as small as this, and I can't come up with any reason why he ignores my messages all the while making multiple posts on BT. If I receive the bits then everything is resolved to my satisfaction, I'd never order from TDZ again, but this problem would be over.

What about if TDZ refunds the money for the missing bitz, uatu? I know he's no longer doing bitz orders (can't say I blame him w/ GW's lack of support in that area) so I don't know how he'd follow though if you're just expecting bitz...

Last I heard he had the bitz, but the Drazhar arm was the wrong one, so he was going to get the correct one from a Drazhar blister. I don't know why he can't get them shipped if they're in his possession, or why he ignores my messages to see what's going on.

Regardless of anything else he does, given what has already happened I recommend leaving a fact-based negative feedback for him. This appears to have become a pattern with him, and documenting it wouldn't be a bad thing.

nitsky416

for someone who is amitted thief and stole from a game store and was caught i suggest you keep your mouth shut before i go further and post your own admission where you stole the blisters.

please call my bluff.. not only will i post the original posters pm to me who informed me of it, ill post your own post where you admitted you took them over a trade dispute.. stealing is ok if done for the right reason huh ?

Jeff
seeing as how i just got back in to btown for the firs time since thursday can you guess why i didnt answer you? imagine that go figure..

now as i have been told by gw that a 310.00 bitz order was on the way as of friday
i am hoping your drazhar figure is among the items comming thus completing the order

and what do you think after you spend over 150.00 dollars im going to screw you out less that 5.00?

this is why i stopped doing bitz orders

you have no clue on how screwed up the ordering system at gw is. I have had to have my freinds order the bitz for anything as of late as they wont ship me the right stuff.. why is that do you suppose? oh i can only say they know i sell bitz online.. it cuts into their own sales or i used to

and if any of you are naieve enough to think gw wouldnt do it.. then i feel sorry for you

once again another bitz order gone to pot

Jeff ill let you know if drahzar comes in and when i ship it if not ill snd you the balance of what is owed plus the shipping from gw so you can buy it for yourself

That's fine with me, I know GW can be pretty terrible to deal with, but I've been sending messages for a while now and have pretty much been ignored. I've actually sent a few responding to posts you've put up on BT over the last few weeks, so you can't exactly claim you've just got back onto BT. I think I've been pretty patient with the whole situation and waited quite a while before making this post.

Your solution sounds fine to me, I just want to end up with the stuff I ordered. I didn't think you were outright trying to screw me or anything, and made that clear in this post, but things should have been resolved by now. No offense, but maybe you should focus just on trades rather than as a retailer of GW stuff. Whatever the cause there seems to be some trouble in that area.

Let me know what you end up sending out (hopefully the missing bits) and when they ship, thanks.

Jeff

oh since nitsky has accused me of harassing him on aol im with no proof mind you i decided to to past his past exploits here


From: gamesmith ( 14 )
To: The Drop Zone
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:11 pm
Subject: You are a true professional.
Hello,

I wanted to comment to you about how I am impressed with your professionalism handling of Evan Bassett's handling of your transaction. I didn't even know you took orders until I saw that thread. I will be ordering from you in the future. I have some background for you. I used to be a GW employee in Illinois 2 years ago. Evan was a "friend" who I found out stole blisters from the shelf while I was working. I didn't see him do it but the old Daemonhost blisters were gone and a bulge in his pocket was visible. Anyhow we had a fight and he admitted it. Our whole gaming group shunned him afterwards, Yo would do well not to take any orders from him. He is passive aggressive and a liar.

Again I appreciate the way you do business and I hope to place some orders with you shortly.

Marc


here is his reply when confronted with it

From: nitsky416 ( 36 )
To: The Drop Zone
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: Fyi
The Drop Zone wrote:
Evan
i suggest you drop this issue
i am in no way required to send you free bitz after you have your refund
you continue this i will not send them

also if you continue to keep dragging this up again and again i will share this pm i received about you...

I wanted to comment to you about how I am impressed with your professionalism handling of Evan Bassett's handling of your transaction. I didn't even know you took orders until I saw that thread. I will be ordering from you in the future. I have some background for you. I used to be a GW employee in Illinois 2 years ago. Evan was a "friend" who I found out stole blisters from the shelf while I was working. I didn't see him do it but the old Daemonhost blisters were gone and a bulge in his pocket was visible. Anyhow we had a fight and he admitted it. Our whole gaming group shunned him afterwards, Yo would do well not to take any orders from him. He is passive aggressive and a liar

this pm alone tells me all i need to know about you.. i consider you to be a dishonest scam artist

the admins of bartertown already know about this message and where it came from i didnt make it up


Now since Pain Train (that is the online name I know him by. for the life of me, I cannot remember his real life name) decided to contact you, I realize why you are so aggravated about our situation. Know this: He has an axe to grind, and there is a lot of history regarding that particular incident that he didn't inform you of. The story goes like this: that man offered a very similar service (ordering bitz at a discount) while he was a GW employee to several members of our local gaming group. He did this because he was extremely disgruntled about how GW had treated him, and it appeared as though he wanted to 'stick it to them' and get as much stuff as he could before he quit. I took advantage of that offer, and requested that he order me some items. The other members of the group and I decided to do something nice and buy him terrain, so everyone chipped in $20+ and we bought him a bunch of stuff. Shortly thereafter, he was essentially put on notice at his job (probably for scamming GW), and backed out on the deals he had not yet completed. Mine was one of those so cancelled. I was a little miffed, especially when he accepted the gift of the terrain without so much as a thanks to those who donated. I took that personally, and (in an exceptionally stupid and youthfully ignorant move), went into the store where he worked and stole two blisters to compensate for the cash I had wasted on him. Since I was not taking anything from his pocket (but GW's, who he had no live for), I saw no harm in this. I was wrong. He happened to be working that day, noticed, and took it personally. He then started a flame campaign in our group's forum that essentially tore the group apart. I was kicked out for the sole reason that he would not let up and let go and move on. I actually received an apology from two of the group's admins several months later, after Pain Train had finally left the area (and the group) and they asked me to come back and play again. Imagine that.

I honestly don't care if BT's admins know about that story. It was a stupid argument that happened between two people who were both too pigheaded at the time to realize that both were in the wrong. I know that the BT admins are not as easily swayed by slander and hearsay as the members of my former gaming group, and I believe that my feedback both here and on eBay speak for themselves. I am no scam artist, irregardless of what Pain Train's or your personal opinions of me.

Regarding Pain Train, I have no hard feelings for him. I do think that it is unfortunate that a man of almost 40 would harbor that kind of resentment against anyone for that long. I haven't spoken to him since that incident, nor do I really wish to, as he never struck me as a particularly pleasant man, but I would not go so far as to say I hold a grudge against him.


there you go all out in the open..

none of this changes anything as Jeff is owed his bitz

but i wanted to make some people aware of what they were dealing with when it comes to nitsky

i have kept my mouth shut long enough to my own detriment...no more wll l allow people to cause my busness and my name harm behind the scenes

Also, in reply to nitsky416's post, I'm not going to leave negative feedback as long as things are finalized in a fair way.

Anyways, I think the feedback system is kind of screwed up, because as soon as anyone leaves a negative post they get one themselves (not accusing TDZ of doing this), but it's not worth the risk.