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On March 13, 2009: I agreed to a trade with Lost Closet, we negotiated a fair trade (listed below) and I sent the miniatures wrapped in newspaper, packed with styrofoam peanuts in a UPS box. I then provided a Tracking number to Daniel Clark AKA Lost Closet. The items were delivered to Lost Closet the following Wednesday, I sent a follow up message to make sure everything arrived properly. After not hearing from him for several days I called the cell phone number he provided, he said he was out of town but would ship the items he had with him since he had verification from the tracking number. Finally on March 30 he sent and email saying the items arrived damaged. I responded that if he was unhappy he could send them back to me with a tracking number or if he didn't want to do that to sent the items we agreed upon with a tracking number. He hasn't responded, so I contacted Linrandir and asked what to do, he told me to check the forums to see if there have been any other posts against Lost Closet and to ask for pictures of the "damaged" items. I have not received any contact from Lost Closet AKA Daniel Clark since the 30th of March and he is no longer answering phone calls nor returning messages. What do I do now? How do you file a mail fraud claim?

After searching the forums it seems he has ripped other people off. I'm new to Bartertown and traded the other half of my stuff with no problems. I have the UPS receipt and pictures of the stuff I traded along with records through bartertown and gmail. Being ripped off has left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I'm appalled that someone would take advantage of such a great site.

Buyer Beware, Lost Closet doesn't send trade items.

Below are the messages between myself and Lost Closet AKA Daniel Clark:

Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:42 pm
by jmpmydog

Ok it has been shipped out UPS should be there Wednesday.

Tracking Number# 1Z48235X0308242718
Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:03 pm
by Lost Closet

though I just noticed that the druids seem to be pending on a seperate trade
so if you want to make the trade without those would be fine,
Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:50 pm
by Lost Closet

Well all the feedback was quite a while ago, But given the fact that you are a new trader and all that,
as you can see from my feedback that even with slight hiccups from when I was always out of town and busy with my wifes pregnancies,
but i aready set the books ect off to the side so they would be ready to ship the day of, I am just more hesitant since you are new trader, I am sure you understand,
If you wanted to ship the displaybase and units on it, and hold onto the extra until you receive all of my half I would be fine with that to,
If you would like to give me a call if there were any issues my number is [edited by Magickalmemories],



jmpmydog wrote:
What is the other Imperial Armour book you have? Also just checking out your feedback it seems like you have had some issues in the past. I would prefer to ship the army after receipt of the books.

To verify the trade is:

From me:
Base One Includes:
Kruger (MSRP $10.49), 8 Farrow Brigands (MSRP $35.23), Warp Wolf (MSRP $22.49), Warp Wolf (MSRP $22.49), 4 Tharn Ravagers (MSRP $41.99), Argus (MSRP $9.74), Custom tokens and stat cards with hard sleeves
Lose:
Morvana (MSRP $7.49), Gorax ($12.74), 6 unpainted Tharn Trackers (MSRP 24.74), Kaya (MSRP $7.49)
TOTAL MSRP: 194.89

From You:
Warhammer 40,000 Expansion: Apocalypse (MSRP $50)
Warhammer 40,000 Expansion: Apocalypse Reload (MSRP $25)
Apocalypse Templates (MSRP $22)
Apocalypse Big Gun Dice (MSRP $12)
IMPERIAL ARMOUR APOCALYPSE (MSRP $35)
Backpack (??)
Imperial Armour (which book)
TOTAL MSRP: 194
Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:52 pm
by jmpmydog

What is the other Imperial Armour book you have? Also just checking out your feedback it seems like you have had some issues in the past. I would prefer to ship the army after receipt of the books.

To verify the trade is:

From me:
Base One Includes:
Kruger (MSRP $10.49), 8 Farrow Brigands (MSRP $35.23), Warp Wolf (MSRP $22.49), Warp Wolf (MSRP $22.49), 4 Tharn Ravagers (MSRP $41.99), Argus (MSRP $9.74), Custom tokens and stat cards with hard sleeves
Lose:
Morvana (MSRP $7.49), Gorax ($12.74), 6 unpainted Tharn Trackers (MSRP 24.74), Kaya (MSRP $7.49)
TOTAL MSRP: 194.89

From You:
Warhammer 40,000 Expansion: Apocalypse (MSRP $50)
Warhammer 40,000 Expansion: Apocalypse Reload (MSRP $25)
Apocalypse Templates (MSRP $22)
Apocalypse Big Gun Dice (MSRP $12)
IMPERIAL ARMOUR APOCALYPSE (MSRP $35)
Backpack (??)
Imperial Armour (which book)
TOTAL MSRP: 194
Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:19 pm
by Lost Closet

Deal and done
My address is
Daniel Clark
26 almont ave
Worcester ma 01604
I will ship the day I recieve
the army
If it will be helpful I will also include a minirulebook and a set of regular green templates,
I have alot of extras so I can include one
Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:43 am
by jmpmydog

Would you consider tradeing that stuff for the Kruger base and the loose items?
Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:28 am
by jmpmydog

Just to be clear you have:

Warhammer 40,000 Expansion: Apocalypse (MSRP $50)
Warhammer 40,000 Expansion: Apocalypse Reload (MSRP $25)
Apocalypse Templates (MSRP $22)
Apocalypse Big Gun Dice (MSRP $12)
IMPERIAL ARMOUR APOCALYPSE (MSRP $35)
Backpack (??)
Imperial Armour (which book)
Re: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour
Sent: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:58 pm
by Lost Closet

I have the Following stuff to trae with for you,
I have all the Apoc Books, Apoc, Forgeworld apoc, and the Newer Imperial Armour book ,
Also the templates and limeted edition Backpack would be included as well and a set of big gun dice to top it off,
How would that work for you? i could also throw in a extra minirulebook as well


Let me know what you think,

Subject: Have:Circle of Orboros Want:$$ or Forgeworld Imperial Armour

jmpmydog wrote:
I have "

Complete Circle Orboros Army. Scenic bases (magnetic). Includes Kruger, Morvana, Baldur, Kaya, 2 Argus, 2 Warp Wolf, 8 Wolves of Orboros, 6 Druids, 2 Woldwatchers, 1 Woldwarden, 3 shifting stones, 4 Tharn Ravagers, 8 Farrow Brigands, Gorax, Alten, 6 unpainted Tharn Trackers, Custom tokens and stat cards with hard sleeves

Pictures:
http://photobucket.com/jmpmydog

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... 33&l=7067a

I'm looking for cash or Forge World books, Warhammer 40K Apocalypse, or other 40K stuff

Then he decides he doesn't want to respond through Bartertown so we move to gmail:



On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Joshua Powers <joshuampowers@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel,

Could you send pictures of the items that were damaged?



On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Daniel Clark <mr.daniel.clark@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I just got back today and examined the contents as when I asked my neighbor to open them to check I was hoping what she told me was untrue,
Almost all of the models were snapped apart, apparantly some of them were barely wrapped in a single layer of news paper, and the models that went into the movement tray were not given that much protection,
Maybe you were not used to shipping painted models, but they need quite a bit more protection, and as a consequence the models were chipped and in a mess of pieces, including losing some of the spikes on the wolves,

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Joshua Powers <joshuampowers@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Daniel,

I haven't received the items yet and wondered if you shipped them and if so do you have a tracking number?

Nice job with what looks to be a clean BTR.

I hope you get your stuff!

Request that you edit out personal info, such as e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and addresses.

LostCloset has had issues before. If you look up the complaints on him, he stated that it was a local kid who he allowed to use his computer for "homework." Apparently, the kid was doing a different kind of work.

He DID make amends on the other BTR's. I will PM him.


As for editing - Only staff can edit posts in this forum.

I have edited out the phone number. We really don't like to have those posted. it's a bit more intrusive, potentially.
The address, however, is acceptable to post in a BTR. It needs to remain.


Eric

Sorry about posting the phone number, I thought everything should be shared. So if he doesn't make amends, then it's a matter of filing mail fraud charges against him correct?

Have you tried sending him a PM.

Just PM him and ask him to please comment in this thread (and include a link).

Eric

Yes,

I've sent multiple PM's and emails to him.

A few questions:

1) When was the last PM you sent him?

2) Are any of the PM's still in your OUTBOX (which means they haven't been read yet)?
2a) Please list the dates of any PMs still in your outbox.


Eric

The last PM I sent him was today.

There are 3 PM's to Lost Closet in my outbox:
Sent: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:38 pm
Sent: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:31 pm
Sent: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:48 pm

The last contact I received a response from him was through gmail on March 30, I've sent him an email on:
March 30
March 31
April 2
April 3
April 7

I've left messages on his cell phone:
March 31
April 3
April 4
April 5

Did you ever actually converse with him using that telephone #?


Eric

Yes,

I spoke with him prior to sending the items, then I spoke with him after UPS confirmed delivery of the itmes and he said he was going to ship them out. Then I received the email from him saying they were damaged in shipping and he's neither responded to emails, PM's or answered his phone since that time.

Wonder if he didn't insure the package and now the models are gacked, and he doesn't have the funds to make amends? So now he's just avoiding to buy himself some time?

EDIT: Got confuzzled. So Lost Closet is saying the items were damaged in shipment.

so he said he got stuff via ups and it was damaged?

why didn't he file a claim form. i THINK ups has a minimum of free/included insurance with their fees.

if they don't or it's not enough to cover the damage or loss, that's another issue.

Yeah,

I was thinking the same thing especially since I paid to have it insured for over $200. I emailed lindar about it and was told that scammers tend to claim "damage" to change the terms of the trade. I asked him to send pictures of the "damage" and told him he could send them back if he was unhappy. Unfortunately he's refusing to respond to any method of contact.

Questions I would be asking myself.

1. Why was his neighbor collecting his mail?
2. Wouldn't UPS have notified the shipper if a package was damaged? I know the USPS does.