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Bartertown Name: Wellington007
E-mail Account: jollyrodger@sbcglobal.net


Matthew Morocco
2715 Lompoc St.
Los Angeles, CA 90065-5107



sadly, I must report MR. Morocco as a bad trader. I recently purchased a total of 15 s&t games that he had for sale. after opening the box and going thru the games I found that 7 of the 15 games did not have any counters in them. In responce he told me that the counters were in a box. I explained to Mr. Morocco that the box did not contain the counters but the magazines I bought at the same time. After explaining this to him, he then changed his story telling me that the counters had been in a large bag.

After explaining again that the counters had not been inside the box he sent the following e-mail

"The games were sent as described.
All games were sent complete (except Peter the great which
was free because it lacked rules) 15 games + 19 magazines were
sent & delivered via FEDEX as requested by you.

The counters were put into the package and were delivery to you.

You recieved the goods as described and agreed upon. You have
the counters. I have nothing further to say on this matter."

I attempted to work out some sort of partial refund or even returning the games for a refund but Mr. Morocco refused. I would not recommend dealing with this person.



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Subject: Finalized list 2/18/09
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Hi:

S&T Games (SPI) comlete x16 16 x $ 5 = 80

AH General magazines
(Mint smoke free house,
some w/ subscription stickers) x19 x $ 4 = 76

*** Are you interested in any of the following:

AFV Modeller magazine ( for $ 5 each) total: 8 issues
(Bi-monthly english 1/35 scale modelling magazine)
14,15,16,18,19,20,21,22

http://www.rzm.com has a good description of them

Matt



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Hi:

Actually $ 150 is for items only. I'm going to package them & then
try and stop by FEDEX on friday 2/20/09 during lunch and get a shipping cost
so I can give you a final cost.

Any interest in the AFV modeling magazines?

Matt

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Hi:
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1. FEDEX ground truck $ 19.92 =3D just pay me $ 19.00 for shipping
=A0=A0=A0 (box is 16 lbs.)
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=A0=A0=A0 Total $ 19.00 (Shipping) + $ 155.00 (-1 game) =3D 174.00
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(Wargamer Peter the Great counters & map only no rules- free)
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2. Is the address a residence or business? FEDEX info needed
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<DIV>1. FEDEX ground truck $ 19.92 = just pay me $ 19.00 for shipping</DIV>
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<DIV>(Wargamer Peter the Great counters & map only no rules- free)</DIV>
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Hello,
I received the games today but there ae some problems. The following
games are either missing counters or do not have any counters at all.

Victory in the West series: Grenade, Sicily and Patton's Third Army
The Sedan Campaign 1870
CA
Combined Arms
Tank

Do you have the counters?

Thanks


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Morocco" <jollyrodger@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:46 PM
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>
>
> Hi:
>
> Will send out FEDEX first thing tomorrow.
> Notes: the rules for Punic Wars are inside the S&T Kursk box.
>
> thanks, Matt


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Hi:

The counters are in the smaller box. All punched counters
are inside zip locked bags and marked.

Matt

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I did not get any smaller boxes, only two trays and the counters were not in
the trays.
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> Hi:
>
> The counters are in the smaller box. All punched counters
> are inside zip locked bags and marked.
>
> Matt


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Hi:

box was about 6"x8" filled with ziplock bags labeled which game.
Proactiv box with post note "counters"

The games were located on the left and the counter box was
opposite on the right (basically right next to each other)

Did you check to make sure you didn't toss it out?

Matt

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Yes I checked and everything that was inside the box was removed. There was
no 6 x 8 box with any counters.


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>
> Hi:
>
> box was about 6"x8" filled with ziplock bags labeled which game.
> Proactiv box with post note "counters"
>
> The games were located on the left and the counter box was
> opposite on the right (basically right next to each other)
>
> Did you check to make sure you didn't toss it out?
>
> Matt


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Hi:

I don't know what to say. I packed the box myself and
the counter box took up 1/2 of one side of the box.
I put the counters inside the box personally and then
sealed the box.

Matt

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When I opened the box, one side had general magazines, and the other=20
side had S&T magazines. The general magazines were inside of a custom=20
build box with lots of tape. the s&t games were in a plastic baggy or=20
plastic tray. I did not receive any counters boxes. Are you sure you=20
are not thinking of the box of general magazines.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Matthew Morocco wrote:

>

Hi:

I don't know what to say. I packed the box=C2=A0 myself and
the counter box took up 1/2 of one side of the box.
I put the counters inside the box personally and then
sealed the box.

Matt

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"0">> </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" L=
ETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=
=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"=
>Hi:</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTER=
SPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Ve=
rdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">I don=
't know what to say. I packed the box=C2=A0 myself and</FONT></DIV><DIV ALI=
GN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACI=
NG=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">the counter box took up 1/2 of one side of the box.<=
/FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"=
#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">I put the counters inside the bo=
x personally and then</FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana=
" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">sealed the=
box. </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETT=
ERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"=
Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Mat=
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Hi Andrew:
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My mistake. The counters were in a clear plastic bag w/ a post it note.
Inside the clear plastic bag were the ziplock baggies marked with the game
the counters were from.
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<DIV>My mistake. The counters were in a clear plastic bag w/ a post it note.</DIV>
<DIV>Inside the clear plastic bag were the ziplock baggies marked with the game</DIV>
<DIV>the counters were from.</DIV>
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You recieved 15 games. Don't understand were your getting the
numbers for punched/unpunched. The games were sent as described.
All games were sent complete (except Peter the great which
was free because it lacked rules) 15 games + 19 magazines were
sent & delivered via FEDEX as requested by you.

The counters were put into the package and were delivery to you.

You recieved the goods as described and agreed upon. You have
the counters. I have nothing further to say on this matter.

Where did this trade initiate? Which forum was the post in, and were you responding to HIM or was he responding to YOU?

Thanks.

Eric

Hello MM,
We actually conducted two transactions. The first one was under the following heading:

FS: Against the Odds games w/ magazine x8 (mint)!!


After I purchased the magazines he informed me that he had some S&T games for sale and I agreed to purchase all of them. We were using Bartertown messages at first and then later switched over to direct e-mail. I can post the messages that had been exchanged thru Bartertown if they are required.

Only the messages regarding this specific trade are necessary.

If there are more for this trade... Please, do. If the others are for your FIRST trade... Don't bother.


Thanks for clarifying. I know you do deals on and off site, so I needed to have it in the thread for posterity.
Please, feel free to post in the BTR he's filed on you, should you deem it necessary (though I have a strong suspicion that you will not).

Eric