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Okay this has been a long time coming. I've tried to resolve this peacefully but now I've gone from dodgy responses to no responses.

Here is the Message trail as far as I can piece it together, and the earliest of messages are gone, but they aren't that important to the over all.


Re: WD
Sent at: Thu May 29, 2008 9:33 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Combining topics here...

I have the captain with the cloak, powerfist, and scanner helmet. I think he came with a bolter with a scope.

As for the White Dwarf issues as long as you are willing to part with them I'll take them

(missing his response due to change over)

Sent at: Thu May 29, 2008 5:55 pm
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Okay its WD issues 264, 274, and 275. For those I'll gladly trade out that SM mini. I never could agree on a decent paint scheme for him anyways.

(missing his response due to change over)

Re: WD
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 6:21 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Okay. I will ship first, no problems there. Just lemme know your information.

(missing response due to change over, he sent his info)

Re: WD
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 8:26 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

(my address, edited out)

(missing response due to change over)


Re: WD
Sent at: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:03 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Okay so you know I'm shipping today so in about a week or so start watching the post box.

(missing response due to change over)


Re: WD
Sent at: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:42 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

just-josh wrote:
(JJ's address edited out)



What's yours?

JJ


I'm finally solvent so I plan to ship this in a few hours. Sorry for the delay.

CJ

Re: WD
Sent at: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:22 pm
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

Okey dokey And yes, it is

JJ


Re: WD
Sent at: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:33 pm
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Sorry again to ship so late after the deal was made, I've been just broke.
But that model is in the mail as of about noon MST.

Trader Xi

Re: WD
Sent at: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:45 am
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

That is absolutely fine mate No worries

JJ

WD's
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:05 am
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

Hey dude

The model arrived in perfect condition

Could you just confirm what white dwarf issue numbers you were after, and your address and I will send them out asap

JJ


Re: WD's
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:10 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

just-josh wrote:
Hey dude

The model arrived in perfect condition

Could you just confirm what white dwarf issue numbers you were after, and your address and I will send them out asap

JJ


Sweet good to hear!

264, 273, 274.

Look forward to revieving them!

CJ


Re: WD's
Sent at: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:34 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Hey JJ

Did those WDs get sent out? Just wondering.

CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:50 am
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

Hey dude

I sent them the weekend after I received your model I am rather worried that they haven't reached you

JJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:50 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

I'll check the mail when I go to lunch here in a minute, and let you know.

CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:20 am
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

Cheers dude If no luck, I will get onto the post office, and see what they can do

JJ


Re: WD's
Sent at: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:58 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

JJ-

Yeah no dice. I'll check again tomorrow after the mail comes and let you know whats up.

-CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:09 pm
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

No arrival as of lunch. I'm still keepin an eye out.

-CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:10 pm
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

JJ-

Still no WD when I checked the mail saturday and today. I don't know whats up.

-CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:45 am
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

I have been to the Post Office, and they said the parcel went out quite some time ago now But that is all they were able to tell me. The only other thing I can suggest, is that I send the space marine back to you... It is a shame, but it isn't your fault, so you shouldn't lose out

JJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:15 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Well lets wait til friday and if I don't recieve them by then, I guess we'll have to figure something out. I really want the WDs though, you know? They complete my collection, kinda.

-CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:54 am
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

I get ya man Okay, hope to hear from you soon

JJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:29 pm
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Josh-

Okay its been near a month and still no dice on the WDs. Do you have any new info on your end?

-CJ


Re: WD's
Sent at: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:40 pm
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

It's been a while... Last I knew, I thought you were meant to be getting back to me soon... lol!

I have heard nothing And I sent your Space Marine back to you over two weeks ago... I am a bit pissed with the whole thing to tell you the truth... Not with you though! Just the whole situation. I mean I have lost both the model and the magazines! But, that's life. Have you not received the model yet?

JJ


Re: WD's
Sent at: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:34 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Josh-

Been checking the post quite regular for the last couple weeks and still nothing. Do you have a tracking number for either the WDs or the SM?

I'm at wits end and the Post Office hasn't a clue where they could be since I have no documentation to offer.

-CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:39 am
From: just-josh
To: Trader Xi

I have a Recorded Delivery number somewhere at home, but I am away on business at the moment. I won't be getting home for another 5-6 days. When I do, I'll dig out the tracking number for you

JJ


Re: WD's
Sent at: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:09 am
From: Trader Xi
To: just-josh

Josh-

Did you ever find that tracking number?

-CJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:54 am
by just-josh

Dude, have you seriously not got the model yet?

I'm finding it hard to believe it still isn't with you...

JJ

Re: WD's
Sent at: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:09 pm
by Trader Xi

If it shows up you'll be the first to know. Now how about that tracking number?



...and thats it. No White Dwarfs, no returned Space Marine, no further contact from JustJosh.

Hmm.
Rough spot.

Joined: Wed May 28, 2008 5:30 am
Last visited: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:37 pm

You both joined about the same time, so there was no way for you to expect him to ship first.
Looks like you got hosed to me, but I could be TOTALLY off base.

Notice, though, that his last visit was 09/20... so, he may not be ignoring you. It might be that something just kept him away from the site.

His profile lists this place:

http://www.ogrestronghold.com

You have his name and address. What's to stop you from joining up, finding the appropriate forum, and asking if anyone's heard from him?

Back when I did a little freelance work for a miniature painting company, I occasionally visited that site to post ogre-specific miniature threads. I found that the community was, overall, pretty supportive and friendly.

Eric

So are we really suppose to belive that first the White Dwarfs he sent you got lost. Then he returned your SM mini, and that got lost too??!! Give me a break. As MM said, he is a regular at the Ogre Stronghold, send him a few messages there. He'll work something out if he doesnt want his reputation tarnished here & ther too.

MagickalMemories wrote:Hmm.
Rough spot.

Joined: Wed May 28, 2008 5:30 am
Last visited: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:37 pm

You both joined about the same time, so there was no way for you to expect him to ship first.
Looks like you got hosed to me, but I could be TOTALLY off base.

Notice, though, that his last visit was 09/20... so, he may not be ignoring you. It might be that something just kept him away from the site.

His profile lists this place:

http://www.ogrestronghold.com

You have his name and address. What's to stop you from joining up, finding the appropriate forum, and asking if anyone's heard from him?

Back when I did a little freelance work for a miniature painting company, I occasionally visited that site to post ogre-specific miniature threads. I found that the community was, overall, pretty supportive and friendly.

Eric

Actually, I shipped first. At this point I'm taking your advice and logging into ogre stronghold and see what I can find out.

Tthat's what I figured. It's what I meant with, "You both joined about the same time, so there was no way for you to expect him to ship first. Looks like you got hosed to me, but I could be TOTALLY off base."

Maybe I was unclear.

Besides, if he shipped first but you managed to STILL get ripped off, it might be time to consider trading-retirement.

Keep us updated on how it goes with Ogre Stronghold.

Piece of advice (in case you don't know), it's best off NOT to come on throwing accusations, whether they're true or not. Just ask if anyone knows how to get a hold of him. You can also try looking at some sort of members list (most sites have them) and see when the last time he logged in was (most have those, as well).

Also, check & see if they have a trading section and/or area for reporting BAD traders.

Eric

They have a trade section called the Gnoblar Market. MM is right, dont come off aggressive. Just have a copy of all your messages, a link to this thread, & say there has been a "misunderstanding" and you cant get a hold of him. Then if that doesnt work, it might be time to take off the gloves, file mail fraud,etc.

MagickalMemories wrote:Tthat's what I figured. It's what I meant with, "You both joined about the same time, so there was no way for you to expect him to ship first. Looks like you got hosed to me, but I could be TOTALLY off base."

Maybe I was unclear.

Besides, if he shipped first but you managed to STILL get ripped off, it might be time to consider trading-retirement.

Keep us updated on how it goes with Ogre Stronghold.

Piece of advice (in case you don't know), it's best off NOT to come on throwing accusations, whether they're true or not. Just ask if anyone knows how to get a hold of him. You can also try looking at some sort of members list (most sites have them) and see when the last time he logged in was (most have those, as well).

Also, check & see if they have a trading section and/or area for reporting BAD traders.

Eric

Nope, I just asked if anyone knows how to get a hold of him, and that we had business pending

And its kinda funny, every single other trade I've made here on Btown has gone off with out a hitch. Hell I off loaded damn near 5000 points of Space Marines with no problems.

This one trade is the one buggering up the works.

Well I didn't loose anything but here is link that represents my experience trying to trade/buy from him. I never did get the pic and the trade fell through.

http://ogrestronghold.com/forum/index.php?topic=8082.0


Make of it what you will. I think it strongly supports Xi's experience.

just-josh
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« Sent to: Trader Xi on: October 08, 2008, 12:43:57 PM »

Nice to hear from you again!

Your claim about it being "well over a month" since you last heard from me is total lies.

As for the trade itself, your claims that the model has still not arrived is absolutely LUDICROUS! I sent it over 2-3 months ago, and quite honestly, I can't see how it hasn't arrived with you yet!

I have completed many trades, sales and buys on here, and haven't once had a negative response/feedback from the deal! I am not trying to con you out of the model, because, at the end of the day, it was worthless! It wasn't even complete.

I no longer have the Recorded Delivery Tracking Number, because, as I said, I posted it well over 2 months ago, and will have thrown it out once I deemed it of no further use.

Quite frankly, this deal has been disappointing, and I want nothing further to do with it.

Regards,

Josh

Message from JJ on ogre stronghold.

'm thinking legal action is the way to go at this point.

It's his job to make certain the mini arrives.
If he had a DC#, he should have provided it to you when he got it. Then, he'd have had proof it was sent.

I can see the possibility of someone getting a vacation pretty soon.


Eric

Lets be realistic here. You are out one min & shipping. You'll waste more time tryng to pursue this. Not even counting your frustration. Write it off as a loss, nuke him with a negative here. Post all your proof & put it at the Ogre Stronghold too, along with a link to this thread. I know its hard to do, but sometimes you just gotta know when to cut your losses & save yourself time & headaches.
This will probably ruin him here & make others (with any sense)at the Ogre Stronghold think twice about dealing with him.

starslayer wrote:Lets be realistic here. You are out one min & shipping. You'll waste more time tryng to pursue this. Not even counting your frustration. Write it off as a loss, nuke him with a negative here. Post all your proof & put it at the Ogre Stronghold too, along with a link to this thread. I know its hard to do, but sometimes you just gotta know when to cut your losses & save yourself time & headaches.
This will probably ruin him here & make others (with any sense)at the Ogre Stronghold think twice about dealing with him.

Do you think cross forum trade feedback is okay? I am not sure about it myself. I thought my above post was definetly in a grey area.

Also sometimes it's not how much you wronged it's the fact it happened. Reporting this may build a history that may result with him getting in trouble down the road. So while sometimes nothing will happen do to your compalint directly it may build the history needed to help others down the road. I know this to be true with much bigger problems than stolen mini's. So what ever Xi decides I wish him luck and keep us posted.

starslayer wrote:Lets be realistic here. You are out one min & shipping. You'll waste more time tryng to pursue this. Not even counting your frustration. Write it off as a loss, nuke him with a negative here. Post all your proof & put it at the Ogre Stronghold too, along with a link to this thread. I know its hard to do, but sometimes you just gotta know when to cut your losses & save yourself time & headaches.
This will probably ruin him here & make others (with any sense)at the Ogre Stronghold think twice about dealing with him.

I think this is the best idea. According to his profile on Ogrestronghold, the kid is 17. I'll leave some cross forum feed back and see what happens.

Here is his response to a message stating that I was considering legal action:

just-josh
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Re: (No subject)
« Sent to: Trader Xi on: October 10, 2008, 10:43:29 AM »

Go ahead mate! And I'll wipe the floor with you, because up until now I have decided to leave it, as I don't see the point in making such a fuss over a tiny little piece of metal, and a few copies of a magazine, however you are quite clearly try to con me, and I have had enough of it. You are possibly the worst trader I have ever dealt with, and would be quite happy to pursue legal action!

As for multiple trades coming in from the UK, that proves my point even further mate! If they've all come in, how is it that mine is hasn't? Oh wait, that's right, you're conning me

JJ

Is the guy from outside the USA? If he is, you probably cant really get anything done legally.
Post all your messages. He has no proof he EVER shipped anything that he agreed to.