Assassin - Incomplete Trade
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:00 pm
So this was my original advert posted in early May (can’t remember the exact date)
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All figures have been stripped by their previous owner and he did a fairly good job. The previous paint scheme was standard desert camo, but very little of it is left. I got them from a previous trade, but have decided to go for straight Death Guard instead of Lost and the Damned. I’ll throw in a bag of new bases as well if you can persuade me to trade the whole lot..
3 autocannon teams
6 mortar teams
3 lascannon teams
3 heavy bolter teams (missing one of the loader figs)
10 rough riders, including sergent w/ sword (horses painted, one lance broken, still have both pieces)
2 lieutenants (1 NIB)
1 Al Rahaim
4 grenade launchers
3 melta guns
1 plasma gun
41 regular infantry (mix of all 6 poses)
Things I’m looking for (NIB preferred)
New Chaos Marines box (not the attack squad) (x3)
New Chaos Terminators
Chaos Landraider
Chaos Rhino (x2)
Defiler
Metal blood bowl teams, cheerleaders, etc.
Mordheim Plague Cart
Krieger ‘Krash’ Thrax Inquisitor Figure
SOB Immolator
FW Nurgle Dreadnaught
FW Nurgle conversion kits (termies and/or marines)
FW landraider doors
Cash
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The reply:
Sent at: Sun May 11, 2008 10:53 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
hello I have a Chaos Landraider x2, Chaos Rhino x3 and a Defiler . all new in box unoppened
thx
moe
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My response
Sent at: Mon May 12, 2008 9:47 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I'd be interested in the defiler, 3 chaos rhinos and one of the landraiders... assuming the rhinos and landraider are all the latest version.
I have someone who responded before you interested in the 10 rough riders, but nothing is solid yet. Aside from those for now, what kind of trade were you looking at?
Mike.
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His replies
Sent at: Mon May 12, 2008 10:34 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
well I would like every thing but i could deal with not having the rough riders.
Sent at: Mon May 12, 2008 10:37 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
that would leave
6 mortar teams
3 lascannon teams
3 heavy bolter teams (missing one of the loader figs)
2 lieutenants (1 NIB)
1 Al Rahaim
4 grenade launchers
3 melta guns
1 plasma gun
41 regular infantry (mix of all 6 poses)
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 4:58 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
Alright, the other guy backed out, so the rough riders are back on the block. Just to confirm, I have offered
3 autocannon teams
6 mortar teams
3 lascannon teams
3 heavy bolter teams (missing one of the loader figs)
10 rough riders, including sergent w/ sword (horses painted, one lance broken, still have both halves)
2 lieutenants (1 NIB)
1 Al Rahaim
4 grenade launchers
3 melta guns
1 plasma gun
41 regular infantry (mix of all 6 poses)
In exchange for your
Chaos Landraider x2,
Chaos Rhino x3
Defiler
Also, just to confirm, were the rhinos and landraiders the current version?
Talk to you soon… and in the event that we finalize this, where will I be shipping to? I‘m in Toronto, Ontario.
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His Replies
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 7:09 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Hello Yes every thing is the new edition and yes I'm looking forward to painting these.
Moe Jacobo
2854 cumberland dr
Mesquite Texas 75150
please get an trcking number
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 11:49 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
dont sapose you have a case and books for the army.
thx
moe
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 11:51 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
I'm hopeing to get this out asap have a tournament soon and would love to play with these figs, thx
moe
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 11:46 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
hello my address is
Moises Jacobo
2854 cumberland dr.
Mesquite Texas 75150
would love to get these asap for a tournament in twelve days.
thx
moe
Sent at: Thu May 15, 2008 8:47 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Hello was woundering if you could send me a tracking number please.
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Thu May 15, 2008 9:54 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
I shipped your parcel today. I paid extra to have it expedited, so it should arrive within 3 business days. You better kick ass at that tourney!
The tracking number is:
CE 516 436 335 CA
I'd greatly appreciate expedited parcel service in return, as well as a tracking number.
Talk to you soon,
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Thu May 15, 2008 10:00 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
thx I plan on owning the tourny and yes I will send your stuff Asap.
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My Response
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 12:45 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I'm assuming you'll have a tracking number for me tomorrow?
Talk to you soon,
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 1:50 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
I;m sorry I dont under stand. I will send all six of your vehicals out as soon as i get the package you sent me . but I will send yours out asap .
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 5:00 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Listen dude, nowhere did you indicate that shipping was conditional upon receipt. You asked for expedited shipping and I spent the 25$ to get it there by Tuesday. I asked for the same treatment and now you're telling me I have to wait? You're not even going to ship it until Tueasday? I don't know... that seems pretty weak man.
Let me know what you plan to do about this given your lack of notice re: delayed shipping... and in light of an ASAP promise given on May 15th and 19th. Incidentally, I’m assuming ASAP means as soon as possible, AS WELL AS with expedited (3 day) delivery service?
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His Reply
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 5:41 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Hello mike
I'm very sorry for the miss understanding but at bartertown the lower rating ships first once the higher rated person receaves the package then they send out their part of the trade. When I said I would send your 2 landraiders, 3 rinos and the defiler ASAP I should have said that I would send them as soon as possible after receaving your end. If both peaple send at the same time it takes away that safety net for the higher rated person. I'm very sorry for the miss understanding and will remberse you for the shipping if that helps or I will ship the same as you did if you prefer. If you feel I have mislead you in any way Ill send your army back to you with a money order for $25.00 and I will still give you good feed back. Think about it and let me know what you want me to do.
thx
Assassin
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My Response
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 5:56 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Sorry man, I was unaware of the policy which was entirely my bad. Your quick and highly amicable reply are greatly appreciated and I'd suggest we proceed as you had outlined.
Regards and apologies,
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 7:28 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
thx mike
You seem like good peaple and i just want to make sure this is a good experiance for both of us .
thx
moe
Sent at: Tue May 20, 2008 12:06 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
hello Mike I'm proud to say that the package is in dallas at the customs office and I should have it in hand in a few days. Ill let you know when I get my hands on it. . Got to love costums sience 911 they check every thing from canada but let freight contaners from the middle east come into the country unchecked go figure.
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Tue May 20, 2008 1:22 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Lovely! You never know, I might have smelted some plutonium into the white metal alloy.
Actually I was just going to write you to advise that it might take an extra day on account of yesterday being a holiday here (Victoria Day). I suppose the monarchy is at least good for a day off once a year.
Let me know if everything arrived alright... in the fullness of time.
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 11:55 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
well I called the Dallas customs peaple yesterday and they said they would look for our package and make it a priority. They also said that that could take up to two weeks I had no idea it could take that long . Crap you live in canada not Iraqe! I've got a freind who works for the Dallas customs athority and she told me they tell every one two weeks but it normaly takes about a week.
Just wanted to keep you in the know.
thx
Assassin
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My Responses
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 12:58 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Goddamn! I didn't know EVERYTHING was subjected to a microbial analysis.
I wonder if there's some way to get my shipping costs back, given that the expresspost only got it to the customs toe-heads within the alotted 3 days?
Well, let me know when they're done with it. I suppose I can wait until August to get my half of the trade.
Mike.
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Then I found these posts in the trading forum:
1)
Author: Assassin (16) BTown Regular
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:40 pm
Post subject: w: Chaos land raders, rinos and defiler H $$$$$
Hello Bartertown
I have need for some chaos stuff.
thousand sons
2 landraiders nib 4th
3 rinos nib 4th
1 defiler nib 4
I have trade and paypa
2)
(in response to a posting with a chaos battleforce box)
Author: Assassin (16) BTown Regular
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:19 am
Post subject: your figs.
I'm inteerested in your chaos and necrons . I dont have any wings of war but i do have $$$
thx
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So I contacted him
Sent at: Tue May 27, 2008 8:45 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
Any word yet?
Also, I found your post (viewtopic.php?t=65176) somewhat concerning. Should I be concerned? You do have the models, right? As it is going on two weeks since I shipped, I was hoping you could allay my fears with some sort of assurance that the items will be delivered sometime in the not-so-distant future.
Talk to you soon,
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Tue May 27, 2008 9:19 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Yes I was told I can pick up the figs this week so i will try to go and get them in the next day or two.The office is about an hour away so I need to plan a few hours for the trip.
I have all your stuff boxed and tell you what if for some reason I dont get them by fri I'll go ahead and send your stuff any way . I'm looking forward to getting the figs. We had a four day weekend because of memorial day and it slowed the proces even more .
thx
moe
And seemingly to dodge my question about his requests for items he owed me:
Sent at: Tue May 27, 2008 9:22 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Mike what was you say i cant bring it up for some reason?
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With word that the items would ship, I let it slide:
Sent at: Wed May 28, 2008 2:56 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
That's awesome Moe, thanks so much.
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Then the dam broke:
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 10:20 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
ok still havent gotten them but they are waiting on me . Its not the customs peaples fault. My 15 year old and wife where in my jeep( wife was teaching our doughter to drive). My doughter put my jeep into our den opps and parked it on top of my hobbie area and your vehicals.
so they are no longer in good shape. Can I send you money through paypal or i could order the vehicals and have them sent to your address. She did $11,000 to my house but thats what i pay insurance for.
sorry
moe
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My Response
Jesus man, that is some bad news! I guess lesson #1 after the dust settles will be what the difference is between the 'R' and the 'D' on the shifter. Were your daughter and wife ok?
As for the models, it would be WAY faster if you just sent me the dollar value via paypal. The total then in Canadian dollars would be:
Defiler: $75
Landraider x2: $150
Rhino x3: $135
TOTAL: $360
+14% tax: $51
GRAND TOTAL: $411
Given that I will be buying them at my end, I will of course need the transfer in Canadian dollars, given the raping on the exchange most financial institutions (including Paypal) will inflict. The e-mail account to use would be my hotmail address:
XXXXXXXXX
Let me know if this is cool and we can move from there. Hell, I might have my vehicles by Saturday afternoon!
Take care, and best of luck with the rebuild.
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 11:21 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Actuly I can order them and have them sent to you 3-5 day for far less If you can give me your address
thx
moe
NOTE: This would obviously hammer me with a customs charge that I wouldn’t have to deal with otherwise, but I just wanted the thing done on account of an upcoming trip.
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 11:32 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
I have every thing ready to go just need to conferm your address
mike oroarke
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXX
XXX
Need your phone #
thx
NOTE: I had already provided him with the shipping info, but it was good that he confirmed given that he spelled my name wrong, put down the wrong street number and spelled the street name wrong.
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My Response
Sent at: Sat May 31, 2008 12:43 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Mike O’Rourke
XXX XXXX
XXXXXX
XXX
Ph. # is xxx-xxx-xxxx
Thanks,
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Sat May 31, 2008 2:29 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
ok mike You have alot of vehicles on the way first class
from ccg armory order number is usacomicbooks-40756
They only had two chaos rinos in stock so I payed alittle extra and got you the Rino with the chaos squad box.
So you are getting
1 defiler
2 landraders
3 rinos
1 squad
thx
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My Response
Sent at: Sat May 31, 2008 3:43 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Wicked, thanks Moe,
Drop me some feedback when you get your stuff and I'll do likewise.
Regards,
Mike.
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Feedback
Good 05/31/08 19:05:16 The_Dude xxxxx@hotmail.com Assassin ( 26 ) Jacobolaurel@aol.com , United States of America 70065 Comments: very good guy will always trade with him . thks again
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Time passes… and I respond
Sent at: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:32 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
I'm not sure what the hold-up is, but the order still hasn't arrived and the tracking number I got from CCG Armory (CJ210944963US) indicates that it still hasn't been dropped off at the post office in the US yet, let alone hit customs.
Any idea what's up? Can you do some prodding?
Additionally, given that this is an above the board item being shipped by a business accross the border, I'm expecting a pretty heavy customs bill when it arrives. Can I assume you will cover that in lieu of a paypal transaction in Canadian funds as I had originally requested, given your failure to produce the products as originally stated?
Later,
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:17 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
mike I,ll call them asap But I wasnt aware of any customs charges that means that any thing i sent to you would have been charged? The original deal was for the figs so I dont think a charge on your end would be fare. I just had to spend 40 dollors us to pick up the tallorens . Sorry they havent gotten to you yet . They act like the canadian and us goverment dont want us doing buisness together
moe
Sent at: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:29 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
mike i just spoke to the saler and tracked the package and they said it was now in canada so lets see what happens next.
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My Response
Sent at: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:03 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Sweet, I'll let you know if there's any movement on this end.
Mike.
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Still more time passes, and I respond with new information
Sent at: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:10 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
My name and address are as follows:
Mike O'ROURKE (not oroarke)
177 XXXX Rd, (not 117 XXXX Rd.)
So despite having corrected my WRONG NAME AND ADDRESS when you wrote me to confirm these details way back on MAY 30th, you still provided the incorrect shipping information to CCG Armory. Hence, my package has been delivered to 117 XXXX, which I do not live at. By virtue of this fu%$-up, the delivery notice was left at 117, and I now have to go in and beg the manager at my local post-office to release Mike oroarke's package, for which I have no delivery notice, and no corroboration between a fu@&ed up name and a f#$%ed up address... otherwise it will be shipped back to CCG Armory.
I really don't know what to say here man. You fu@%ed up big-time. I shipped OVER A MONTH AGO, and still have nothing to show for it. If you hear nothing further from me, just assume I managed to get the package despite this SNAFU. Otherwise I will be in touch to follow-up on what you are going to do to ensure that my parcel arrives sometime in the next 2 weeks. You see, if the parcel doesn’t arrive within 2 weeks, I will be unable to receive it as I will be in the arctic doing research for 6 weeks, and we will have to drag this process out for another 2 months.
With much exasperation.
Mike.
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I had just returned from the post office having pleaded with them to release my parcel when I received a phone call from Moe. He was very apologetic and happy to hear that I got the parcel. Unfortunately one of the rhinos did not get shipped… thus the trade was still unfinished. He claims it was their mistake, but the rhino never ended up on the invoice… so who’s to say anymore given all of the other issues with this trade. Moe asked me for my paypal info which he would use to reimburse me. Still, wanting to keep things amicable I responded:
Sent at: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:06 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey man,
Thanks again for the phone call... it went a long way to calming any anxiety over CCG Armory's SNAFU.
I've attached a scan of the shipping invoice from CCG Armories. Please let me know if you have any problems opening it.
The paypal account I use is associated with the following address:
xxxxxxxxxx
BTW, how did the tourney go?
Thanks again. I'll leave (positive) feedback the second the cash gets through.
Regards,
Mike.
Sent at: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:11 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Sorry, totally forgot the total: that's $45 CDN for the Rhino.
Mike.
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and again…
Sent at: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:13 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
So it's been over a week now... and news on the Paypal transfer?
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His Reply
Sent at: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:59 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
yes pease send me your paypal info and I'll have it in asap thx
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By now I am confident that he has no idea what ASAP stands for, and I have no idea what he thinks it really means. I am also fairly confident I will never see my rhino. My Response:
Sent at: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:39 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
The email address associated with my paypal account is: xxxxxx
And yet again…..
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:02 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
OK man, it's been yet another week and I am still without the final piece of the trade, which, for the sake of clarity, is :
$45 Canadian funds to be sent to the paypal account associated with the email address: xxxxxxxx
If I don't have the money by tomorrow morning I will have no recourse but to take this up with B-Town, leave negative feedback, and post the lengthy exchange of emails in the bad-trader forum. I think I've been more than patient, and I hate to have to resort to this, but a deal is a deal, and so far it looks like you don't intend to hold up your side.
Get back to me,
Mike.
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His reply
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:58 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Sorry for the delay I have never reniged on a deal I simply had to wait until the first of the month for the funds. I will send it out today with the Rule book if that is ok. please let me know thx
I should have let you know of my intentions and am sorry.
my cell is 214-598-0397
thx
and very sorry
moe
And by email:
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:13:19 -0700
From: warhammer4life@yahoo.com
Subject: Money I owe you
To: xxxxxx@hotmail.com
Hi very sorry for the wait I should have sent you a email with my intentions but I thought you you where away doing research. So I am very sorry .
I sent money to my paypal but could not access it . Can I send it to you by mail ? If so I will send it out today please let me know. I have never reniged on a trade and would not. This trade has just been plagued with a seris of unfortunite events from the very start. As of this morning my paypal account wont recognise my password.
thanks
214-598-0397
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:52 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I'm not sure what you mean by you'll send it out with the rule book. Could you clarify? My impression was that the last step was the paypal transfer, given that I will not be here as of Friday to receive mail.
And to the email
From: Mike O'Rourke <xxxx @hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Money I owe you
To: warhammer4life@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 2:56 PM
Hey Moe,
See your bartertown account for a more detailed message... in short, I can't receive mail. Please contact paypal and renew your account.
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:14 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Sorry I would like to send a money order or cash inside a chaos codex the newest one via mail. my paypal and ebay accounts have been jeperdized and paypal wont recognize my password at this time. I ve been trying to get it back up and running but they keep telling me any day now . I should have let you know what was going on . Ive never reniged on a trade and wouldnt start with you. this trade has been one unfortunite event after another from the start . I am truly sorry for that.
I can mail you a new chaos codex with $45.00 in it tommorow or I fully under stand if you feel you need to leave negative feed back or even pursue it with bartertown But my intentions are good , I even payed $20.00 extra for the rino with the troops.
thx
moe
214-598-0397
please let me know what you would like me to do .
And by email
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 8:19:15 -0700
From: warhammer4life@yahoo.com
Subject: Money I owe you
To: xxxxxx@hotmail.com
I'm trying to that at this time . I just read your mail on bartertown and I will fix this problem and make this up to you . My ebay and paypal where jacked by some one so they put a hold on both about two weeks ago I'll call and see if I can speak to a person insted of a machine .
i'll email you with what they say and a fix
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My Response
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:46 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I would really rather not have to pay the customs on a codex I already have. Let me know what Paypal has to say as of tomorrow night and we can move from there.
Mike.
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And again due to a lack of reply
Sent at: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:46 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I can only assume, having not heard anything from you last night as requested, that you have not resolved your problem with paypal.
Upon resolution of your password situation, please remit $45 Canadian to the paypal account associated with the following email address:
xxxxxxxxxx
Conceivably this issue will have been resolved by the time I return from my research. I am proceeding in good faith that you will complete your end of the trade by then, at which time I will leave feedback. Please don't chap my ass and leave this issue hanging until my return, when I will be forced to contact you... yet again.
Enjoy your summer, and please bring this issue to completion in my absence.
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:22 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Mike I'm trying to resolve the issue and should be good soon . At lest thats what paypal says.
moe
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Another month goes by without news
Sent at: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:44 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I jsut got back, but won't be in Toronto until Tuesday. Any word on Paypal?
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Since then Moe has refused to communicate with me via bartertown. I have called his house and on three occasions spoke with him, each time getting the usual stream of apologies and assurances that things will work out. He even offered me $55 instead of the $45 he owed for the inconvenience, and said he would “do something to make it up to me”. Left with the daunting task of compiling this stream of correspondence I let it sit for a while, dreaming of a world in which people finish their trades… but alas it has come to this.
It’s obvious he meant well… at some point in time. His communication (was) very good, he contacted me out of the blue via telephone to talk about the matter, and he did send along the attack squad rhino box. But half way through the gong-show of a trading process he decided it was no longer necessary to fulfill his end of the bargain. I tried MANY times over a great many months to try and make this work, but to no avail. Hence:
I would strongly recommend that user: Assassin, aka: Moises Jacobo (warhammer4life@yahoo.com, Jacobolaurel@aol.com, 214-598-0397 of Mesquite and/or Dallas Texas) be avoided on account of his fraudulent behaviour within the bartertown community.
Please note that I am STILL willing to work through this snafu with Moe. I understand that things happen in life that can place our hobby on the back-burner. Moe was very open with me for the first while, but I need some sort of resolution on this matter, hence the reason I finally decided to post this warning. Should he follow up on his word and complete the trade, I will ask to have this post removed or at least modified. I will give this post 2 weeks to sit, then I will post negative trade feedback to be added to Moe’s profile.
Traders beware,
Mike.
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All figures have been stripped by their previous owner and he did a fairly good job. The previous paint scheme was standard desert camo, but very little of it is left. I got them from a previous trade, but have decided to go for straight Death Guard instead of Lost and the Damned. I’ll throw in a bag of new bases as well if you can persuade me to trade the whole lot..
3 autocannon teams
6 mortar teams
3 lascannon teams
3 heavy bolter teams (missing one of the loader figs)
10 rough riders, including sergent w/ sword (horses painted, one lance broken, still have both pieces)
2 lieutenants (1 NIB)
1 Al Rahaim
4 grenade launchers
3 melta guns
1 plasma gun
41 regular infantry (mix of all 6 poses)
Things I’m looking for (NIB preferred)
New Chaos Marines box (not the attack squad) (x3)
New Chaos Terminators
Chaos Landraider
Chaos Rhino (x2)
Defiler
Metal blood bowl teams, cheerleaders, etc.
Mordheim Plague Cart
Krieger ‘Krash’ Thrax Inquisitor Figure
SOB Immolator
FW Nurgle Dreadnaught
FW Nurgle conversion kits (termies and/or marines)
FW landraider doors
Cash
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The reply:
Sent at: Sun May 11, 2008 10:53 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
hello I have a Chaos Landraider x2, Chaos Rhino x3 and a Defiler . all new in box unoppened
thx
moe
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My response
Sent at: Mon May 12, 2008 9:47 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I'd be interested in the defiler, 3 chaos rhinos and one of the landraiders... assuming the rhinos and landraider are all the latest version.
I have someone who responded before you interested in the 10 rough riders, but nothing is solid yet. Aside from those for now, what kind of trade were you looking at?
Mike.
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His replies
Sent at: Mon May 12, 2008 10:34 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
well I would like every thing but i could deal with not having the rough riders.
Sent at: Mon May 12, 2008 10:37 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
that would leave
6 mortar teams
3 lascannon teams
3 heavy bolter teams (missing one of the loader figs)
2 lieutenants (1 NIB)
1 Al Rahaim
4 grenade launchers
3 melta guns
1 plasma gun
41 regular infantry (mix of all 6 poses)
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 4:58 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
Alright, the other guy backed out, so the rough riders are back on the block. Just to confirm, I have offered
3 autocannon teams
6 mortar teams
3 lascannon teams
3 heavy bolter teams (missing one of the loader figs)
10 rough riders, including sergent w/ sword (horses painted, one lance broken, still have both halves)
2 lieutenants (1 NIB)
1 Al Rahaim
4 grenade launchers
3 melta guns
1 plasma gun
41 regular infantry (mix of all 6 poses)
In exchange for your
Chaos Landraider x2,
Chaos Rhino x3
Defiler
Also, just to confirm, were the rhinos and landraiders the current version?
Talk to you soon… and in the event that we finalize this, where will I be shipping to? I‘m in Toronto, Ontario.
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His Replies
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 7:09 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Hello Yes every thing is the new edition and yes I'm looking forward to painting these.
Moe Jacobo
2854 cumberland dr
Mesquite Texas 75150
please get an trcking number
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 11:49 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
dont sapose you have a case and books for the army.
thx
moe
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 11:51 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
I'm hopeing to get this out asap have a tournament soon and would love to play with these figs, thx
moe
Sent at: Wed May 14, 2008 11:46 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
hello my address is
Moises Jacobo
2854 cumberland dr.
Mesquite Texas 75150
would love to get these asap for a tournament in twelve days.
thx
moe
Sent at: Thu May 15, 2008 8:47 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Hello was woundering if you could send me a tracking number please.
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Thu May 15, 2008 9:54 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
I shipped your parcel today. I paid extra to have it expedited, so it should arrive within 3 business days. You better kick ass at that tourney!
The tracking number is:
CE 516 436 335 CA
I'd greatly appreciate expedited parcel service in return, as well as a tracking number.
Talk to you soon,
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Thu May 15, 2008 10:00 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
thx I plan on owning the tourny and yes I will send your stuff Asap.
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My Response
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 12:45 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I'm assuming you'll have a tracking number for me tomorrow?
Talk to you soon,
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 1:50 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
I;m sorry I dont under stand. I will send all six of your vehicals out as soon as i get the package you sent me . but I will send yours out asap .
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 5:00 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Listen dude, nowhere did you indicate that shipping was conditional upon receipt. You asked for expedited shipping and I spent the 25$ to get it there by Tuesday. I asked for the same treatment and now you're telling me I have to wait? You're not even going to ship it until Tueasday? I don't know... that seems pretty weak man.
Let me know what you plan to do about this given your lack of notice re: delayed shipping... and in light of an ASAP promise given on May 15th and 19th. Incidentally, I’m assuming ASAP means as soon as possible, AS WELL AS with expedited (3 day) delivery service?
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His Reply
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 5:41 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Hello mike
I'm very sorry for the miss understanding but at bartertown the lower rating ships first once the higher rated person receaves the package then they send out their part of the trade. When I said I would send your 2 landraiders, 3 rinos and the defiler ASAP I should have said that I would send them as soon as possible after receaving your end. If both peaple send at the same time it takes away that safety net for the higher rated person. I'm very sorry for the miss understanding and will remberse you for the shipping if that helps or I will ship the same as you did if you prefer. If you feel I have mislead you in any way Ill send your army back to you with a money order for $25.00 and I will still give you good feed back. Think about it and let me know what you want me to do.
thx
Assassin
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My Response
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 5:56 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Sorry man, I was unaware of the policy which was entirely my bad. Your quick and highly amicable reply are greatly appreciated and I'd suggest we proceed as you had outlined.
Regards and apologies,
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Mon May 19, 2008 7:28 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
thx mike
You seem like good peaple and i just want to make sure this is a good experiance for both of us .
thx
moe
Sent at: Tue May 20, 2008 12:06 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
hello Mike I'm proud to say that the package is in dallas at the customs office and I should have it in hand in a few days. Ill let you know when I get my hands on it. . Got to love costums sience 911 they check every thing from canada but let freight contaners from the middle east come into the country unchecked go figure.
thx
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Tue May 20, 2008 1:22 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Lovely! You never know, I might have smelted some plutonium into the white metal alloy.
Actually I was just going to write you to advise that it might take an extra day on account of yesterday being a holiday here (Victoria Day). I suppose the monarchy is at least good for a day off once a year.
Let me know if everything arrived alright... in the fullness of time.
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 11:55 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
well I called the Dallas customs peaple yesterday and they said they would look for our package and make it a priority. They also said that that could take up to two weeks I had no idea it could take that long . Crap you live in canada not Iraqe! I've got a freind who works for the Dallas customs athority and she told me they tell every one two weeks but it normaly takes about a week.
Just wanted to keep you in the know.
thx
Assassin
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My Responses
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 12:58 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Goddamn! I didn't know EVERYTHING was subjected to a microbial analysis.
I wonder if there's some way to get my shipping costs back, given that the expresspost only got it to the customs toe-heads within the alotted 3 days?
Well, let me know when they're done with it. I suppose I can wait until August to get my half of the trade.
Mike.
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Then I found these posts in the trading forum:
1)
Author: Assassin (16) BTown Regular
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:40 pm
Post subject: w: Chaos land raders, rinos and defiler H $$$$$
Hello Bartertown
I have need for some chaos stuff.
thousand sons
2 landraiders nib 4th
3 rinos nib 4th
1 defiler nib 4
I have trade and paypa
2)
(in response to a posting with a chaos battleforce box)
Author: Assassin (16) BTown Regular
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:19 am
Post subject: your figs.
I'm inteerested in your chaos and necrons . I dont have any wings of war but i do have $$$
thx
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So I contacted him
Sent at: Tue May 27, 2008 8:45 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
Any word yet?
Also, I found your post (viewtopic.php?t=65176) somewhat concerning. Should I be concerned? You do have the models, right? As it is going on two weeks since I shipped, I was hoping you could allay my fears with some sort of assurance that the items will be delivered sometime in the not-so-distant future.
Talk to you soon,
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Tue May 27, 2008 9:19 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Yes I was told I can pick up the figs this week so i will try to go and get them in the next day or two.The office is about an hour away so I need to plan a few hours for the trip.
I have all your stuff boxed and tell you what if for some reason I dont get them by fri I'll go ahead and send your stuff any way . I'm looking forward to getting the figs. We had a four day weekend because of memorial day and it slowed the proces even more .
thx
moe
And seemingly to dodge my question about his requests for items he owed me:
Sent at: Tue May 27, 2008 9:22 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Mike what was you say i cant bring it up for some reason?
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With word that the items would ship, I let it slide:
Sent at: Wed May 28, 2008 2:56 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
That's awesome Moe, thanks so much.
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Then the dam broke:
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 10:20 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
ok still havent gotten them but they are waiting on me . Its not the customs peaples fault. My 15 year old and wife where in my jeep( wife was teaching our doughter to drive). My doughter put my jeep into our den opps and parked it on top of my hobbie area and your vehicals.
so they are no longer in good shape. Can I send you money through paypal or i could order the vehicals and have them sent to your address. She did $11,000 to my house but thats what i pay insurance for.
sorry
moe
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My Response
Jesus man, that is some bad news! I guess lesson #1 after the dust settles will be what the difference is between the 'R' and the 'D' on the shifter. Were your daughter and wife ok?
As for the models, it would be WAY faster if you just sent me the dollar value via paypal. The total then in Canadian dollars would be:
Defiler: $75
Landraider x2: $150
Rhino x3: $135
TOTAL: $360
+14% tax: $51
GRAND TOTAL: $411
Given that I will be buying them at my end, I will of course need the transfer in Canadian dollars, given the raping on the exchange most financial institutions (including Paypal) will inflict. The e-mail account to use would be my hotmail address:
XXXXXXXXX
Let me know if this is cool and we can move from there. Hell, I might have my vehicles by Saturday afternoon!
Take care, and best of luck with the rebuild.
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 11:21 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Actuly I can order them and have them sent to you 3-5 day for far less If you can give me your address
thx
moe
NOTE: This would obviously hammer me with a customs charge that I wouldn’t have to deal with otherwise, but I just wanted the thing done on account of an upcoming trip.
Sent at: Fri May 30, 2008 11:32 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
I have every thing ready to go just need to conferm your address
mike oroarke
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXX
XXX
Need your phone #
thx
NOTE: I had already provided him with the shipping info, but it was good that he confirmed given that he spelled my name wrong, put down the wrong street number and spelled the street name wrong.
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My Response
Sent at: Sat May 31, 2008 12:43 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Mike O’Rourke
XXX XXXX
XXXXXX
XXX
Ph. # is xxx-xxx-xxxx
Thanks,
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Sat May 31, 2008 2:29 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
ok mike You have alot of vehicles on the way first class
from ccg armory order number is usacomicbooks-40756
They only had two chaos rinos in stock so I payed alittle extra and got you the Rino with the chaos squad box.
So you are getting
1 defiler
2 landraders
3 rinos
1 squad
thx
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My Response
Sent at: Sat May 31, 2008 3:43 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Wicked, thanks Moe,
Drop me some feedback when you get your stuff and I'll do likewise.
Regards,
Mike.
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Feedback
Good 05/31/08 19:05:16 The_Dude xxxxx@hotmail.com Assassin ( 26 ) Jacobolaurel@aol.com , United States of America 70065 Comments: very good guy will always trade with him . thks again
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Time passes… and I respond
Sent at: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:32 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
I'm not sure what the hold-up is, but the order still hasn't arrived and the tracking number I got from CCG Armory (CJ210944963US) indicates that it still hasn't been dropped off at the post office in the US yet, let alone hit customs.
Any idea what's up? Can you do some prodding?
Additionally, given that this is an above the board item being shipped by a business accross the border, I'm expecting a pretty heavy customs bill when it arrives. Can I assume you will cover that in lieu of a paypal transaction in Canadian funds as I had originally requested, given your failure to produce the products as originally stated?
Later,
Mike.
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His Replies
Sent at: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:17 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
mike I,ll call them asap But I wasnt aware of any customs charges that means that any thing i sent to you would have been charged? The original deal was for the figs so I dont think a charge on your end would be fare. I just had to spend 40 dollors us to pick up the tallorens . Sorry they havent gotten to you yet . They act like the canadian and us goverment dont want us doing buisness together
moe
Sent at: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:29 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
mike i just spoke to the saler and tracked the package and they said it was now in canada so lets see what happens next.
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My Response
Sent at: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:03 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Sweet, I'll let you know if there's any movement on this end.
Mike.
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Still more time passes, and I respond with new information
Sent at: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:10 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
My name and address are as follows:
Mike O'ROURKE (not oroarke)
177 XXXX Rd, (not 117 XXXX Rd.)
So despite having corrected my WRONG NAME AND ADDRESS when you wrote me to confirm these details way back on MAY 30th, you still provided the incorrect shipping information to CCG Armory. Hence, my package has been delivered to 117 XXXX, which I do not live at. By virtue of this fu%$-up, the delivery notice was left at 117, and I now have to go in and beg the manager at my local post-office to release Mike oroarke's package, for which I have no delivery notice, and no corroboration between a fu@&ed up name and a f#$%ed up address... otherwise it will be shipped back to CCG Armory.
I really don't know what to say here man. You fu@%ed up big-time. I shipped OVER A MONTH AGO, and still have nothing to show for it. If you hear nothing further from me, just assume I managed to get the package despite this SNAFU. Otherwise I will be in touch to follow-up on what you are going to do to ensure that my parcel arrives sometime in the next 2 weeks. You see, if the parcel doesn’t arrive within 2 weeks, I will be unable to receive it as I will be in the arctic doing research for 6 weeks, and we will have to drag this process out for another 2 months.
With much exasperation.
Mike.
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I had just returned from the post office having pleaded with them to release my parcel when I received a phone call from Moe. He was very apologetic and happy to hear that I got the parcel. Unfortunately one of the rhinos did not get shipped… thus the trade was still unfinished. He claims it was their mistake, but the rhino never ended up on the invoice… so who’s to say anymore given all of the other issues with this trade. Moe asked me for my paypal info which he would use to reimburse me. Still, wanting to keep things amicable I responded:
Sent at: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:06 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey man,
Thanks again for the phone call... it went a long way to calming any anxiety over CCG Armory's SNAFU.
I've attached a scan of the shipping invoice from CCG Armories. Please let me know if you have any problems opening it.
The paypal account I use is associated with the following address:
xxxxxxxxxx
BTW, how did the tourney go?
Thanks again. I'll leave (positive) feedback the second the cash gets through.
Regards,
Mike.
Sent at: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:11 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Sorry, totally forgot the total: that's $45 CDN for the Rhino.
Mike.
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and again…
Sent at: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:13 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
Hey Moe,
So it's been over a week now... and news on the Paypal transfer?
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His Reply
Sent at: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:59 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
yes pease send me your paypal info and I'll have it in asap thx
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By now I am confident that he has no idea what ASAP stands for, and I have no idea what he thinks it really means. I am also fairly confident I will never see my rhino. My Response:
Sent at: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:39 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
The email address associated with my paypal account is: xxxxxx
And yet again…..
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:02 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
OK man, it's been yet another week and I am still without the final piece of the trade, which, for the sake of clarity, is :
$45 Canadian funds to be sent to the paypal account associated with the email address: xxxxxxxx
If I don't have the money by tomorrow morning I will have no recourse but to take this up with B-Town, leave negative feedback, and post the lengthy exchange of emails in the bad-trader forum. I think I've been more than patient, and I hate to have to resort to this, but a deal is a deal, and so far it looks like you don't intend to hold up your side.
Get back to me,
Mike.
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His reply
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:58 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Sorry for the delay I have never reniged on a deal I simply had to wait until the first of the month for the funds. I will send it out today with the Rule book if that is ok. please let me know thx
I should have let you know of my intentions and am sorry.
my cell is 214-598-0397
thx
and very sorry
moe
And by email:
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:13:19 -0700
From: warhammer4life@yahoo.com
Subject: Money I owe you
To: xxxxxx@hotmail.com
Hi very sorry for the wait I should have sent you a email with my intentions but I thought you you where away doing research. So I am very sorry .
I sent money to my paypal but could not access it . Can I send it to you by mail ? If so I will send it out today please let me know. I have never reniged on a trade and would not. This trade has just been plagued with a seris of unfortunite events from the very start. As of this morning my paypal account wont recognise my password.
thanks
214-598-0397
moe
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My Response
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:52 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I'm not sure what you mean by you'll send it out with the rule book. Could you clarify? My impression was that the last step was the paypal transfer, given that I will not be here as of Friday to receive mail.
And to the email
From: Mike O'Rourke <xxxx @hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Money I owe you
To: warhammer4life@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 2:56 PM
Hey Moe,
See your bartertown account for a more detailed message... in short, I can't receive mail. Please contact paypal and renew your account.
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:14 pm
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Sorry I would like to send a money order or cash inside a chaos codex the newest one via mail. my paypal and ebay accounts have been jeperdized and paypal wont recognize my password at this time. I ve been trying to get it back up and running but they keep telling me any day now . I should have let you know what was going on . Ive never reniged on a trade and wouldnt start with you. this trade has been one unfortunite event after another from the start . I am truly sorry for that.
I can mail you a new chaos codex with $45.00 in it tommorow or I fully under stand if you feel you need to leave negative feed back or even pursue it with bartertown But my intentions are good , I even payed $20.00 extra for the rino with the troops.
thx
moe
214-598-0397
please let me know what you would like me to do .
And by email
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 8:19:15 -0700
From: warhammer4life@yahoo.com
Subject: Money I owe you
To: xxxxxx@hotmail.com
I'm trying to that at this time . I just read your mail on bartertown and I will fix this problem and make this up to you . My ebay and paypal where jacked by some one so they put a hold on both about two weeks ago I'll call and see if I can speak to a person insted of a machine .
i'll email you with what they say and a fix
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My Response
Sent at: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:46 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I would really rather not have to pay the customs on a codex I already have. Let me know what Paypal has to say as of tomorrow night and we can move from there.
Mike.
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And again due to a lack of reply
Sent at: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:46 pm
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I can only assume, having not heard anything from you last night as requested, that you have not resolved your problem with paypal.
Upon resolution of your password situation, please remit $45 Canadian to the paypal account associated with the following email address:
xxxxxxxxxx
Conceivably this issue will have been resolved by the time I return from my research. I am proceeding in good faith that you will complete your end of the trade by then, at which time I will leave feedback. Please don't chap my ass and leave this issue hanging until my return, when I will be forced to contact you... yet again.
Enjoy your summer, and please bring this issue to completion in my absence.
Mike.
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His Reply
Sent at: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:22 am
From: Assassin
To: The_Dude
Mike I'm trying to resolve the issue and should be good soon . At lest thats what paypal says.
moe
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Another month goes by without news
Sent at: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:44 am
From: The_Dude
To: Assassin
I jsut got back, but won't be in Toronto until Tuesday. Any word on Paypal?
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Since then Moe has refused to communicate with me via bartertown. I have called his house and on three occasions spoke with him, each time getting the usual stream of apologies and assurances that things will work out. He even offered me $55 instead of the $45 he owed for the inconvenience, and said he would “do something to make it up to me”. Left with the daunting task of compiling this stream of correspondence I let it sit for a while, dreaming of a world in which people finish their trades… but alas it has come to this.
It’s obvious he meant well… at some point in time. His communication (was) very good, he contacted me out of the blue via telephone to talk about the matter, and he did send along the attack squad rhino box. But half way through the gong-show of a trading process he decided it was no longer necessary to fulfill his end of the bargain. I tried MANY times over a great many months to try and make this work, but to no avail. Hence:
I would strongly recommend that user: Assassin, aka: Moises Jacobo (warhammer4life@yahoo.com, Jacobolaurel@aol.com, 214-598-0397 of Mesquite and/or Dallas Texas) be avoided on account of his fraudulent behaviour within the bartertown community.
Please note that I am STILL willing to work through this snafu with Moe. I understand that things happen in life that can place our hobby on the back-burner. Moe was very open with me for the first while, but I need some sort of resolution on this matter, hence the reason I finally decided to post this warning. Should he follow up on his word and complete the trade, I will ask to have this post removed or at least modified. I will give this post 2 weeks to sit, then I will post negative trade feedback to be added to Moe’s profile.
Traders beware,
Mike.
