Bad Trader: EmpireGeneral8116

[Luxury]

I'm not sure if he's a thief or not, but at best he'll be sending out my minis more than a month after he received payment from me. His excuse is that he had a funeral to deal with - a month of funeral! Here's the PMs between us:

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:35 am
Subject: Tyranids
I can offer $80 for the Tyranid stuff, shipped.

Let me know,

Pat

From: EmpireGeneral8116 ( 0 )
To: Luxury
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Quote message
Sounds good to me, I will get it boxed up tonight. please send your address. I will be sending it USPS priority mail with delivery confirmation and insurance. If possible please use a USPS moneyorder priority mail with tracking so both of us use a traceable method. my address is:

Jonathan Baez
PO BOX 7535
Chestnut Mountain GA
30502

(770)572-4943 you can call me anytime if you have any questions

Sound Good?

Jonathan

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids
That would be fine, but I'd prefer paypal if possible.

From: EmpireGeneral8116 ( 0 )
To: Luxury
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Quote message
I dont have a paypal account, so moneyorder would be the only way

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids
Ok, I can do that. Embarassingly, I can't remember what I offered, though. Smile

Pat

From: EmpireGeneral8116 ( 0 )
To: Luxury
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Quote message
80.00

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids
Ok, sounds good. I'll get it sent out Monday, with tracking.

Pat

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids
Money order for $80 is on the way. Certified label # 70070710000404662110

Thanks,

Pat

From: EmpireGeneral8116 ( 0 )
To: Luxury
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Quote message
cool whats your address?

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:33 am
Subject: Re: Tyranids
My address is:

Pat Shepard
301 Tiger Lane #505
Columbia, MO 65203

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:00 am
Subject: Re: Tyranids
Just checking to see if you've sent out the Tyranid stuff yet.

Thanks,

Pat

(At this point I called his cell and left a message threatening prosecution for mail fraud)

From: EmpireGeneral8116 ( 0 )
To: Luxury
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Quote message
Hi Pat, I just got to check my email now. yes i received the M/O and I have every intention of holding my end of the bargain. Unfortunately im out of town right now, and will be for another 2 weeks, on a funeral. as soon as I return they will be sent. sorry i couldent answer my ohone earlier my family and I are really in a mess here. And if i intended to rip you off i would never have said use a postal money order and a traceable shipping method im hiding nothing and you will have the item or a refund as promised, again im sorry for any inconvenience, and yes i should have told you sooner. you WILL get them

Jonathan

From: Luxury ( 10 )
To: EmpireGeneral8116
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Edit message
A four week funeral? Sounds pretty fishy.

EmpireGeneral8116 wrote:
Hi Pat, I just got to check my email now. yes i received the M/O and I have every intention of holding my end of the bargain. Unfortunately im out of town right now, and will be for another 2 weeks, on a funeral. as soon as I return they will be sent. sorry i couldent answer my ohone earlier my family and I are really in a mess here. And if i intended to rip you off i would never have said use a postal money order and a traceable shipping method im hiding nothing and you will have the item or a refund as promised, again im sorry for any inconvenience, and yes i should have told you sooner. you WILL get them

Jonathan

[Luxury]

The "at this point I made a phone call" refers to the 19th (today) after he hadn't responded for several days, not on the 15th when I asked if he had shipped them out.

[MagickalMemories]

As this could go either way, I'm not going to waste any breath hypothesizing.

PLEASE, keep this thread updated as you get more info (good OR bad).

Thanks.

Eric

[Luxury]

Will do. I wouldn't trade with him again no matter what, but there's a big difference between a thief and someone really bad at shipping and communication. Hopefully he's the latter.

Worst case scenario I sent a certified letter and used a USPS money order so it should be easy to deal with (comparatively) through the post office fraud folks.

As this could go either way, I'm not going to waste any breath hypothesizing.

PLEASE, keep this thread updated as you get more info (good OR bad).

Thanks.

Eric

[starslayer]

[quote="Luxury"]Will do. I wouldn't trade with him again no matter what, but there's a big difference between a thief and someone really bad at shipping and communication. Hopefully he's the latter.

Either way he deserves a negative reference. You shouldn't have to chase down someone to fulfill their end of the bargain.

[Luxury]

I would, but I'm worried about retaliatory feedback. I don't have many references here, and a negative one against me (undeserved or not) would be worrisome.

Will do. I wouldn't trade with him again no matter what, but there's a big difference between a thief and someone really bad at shipping and communication. Hopefully he's the latter.

Either way he deserves a negative reference. You shouldn't have to chase down someone to fulfill their end of the bargain.

[npd_bigdaddy]

It won't be tolerated here. You've stated your case, and the Mods won't allow that to happen........

You're in good hands

Erik

[Linrandir]

Indeed. This is the part when I would recommend you read the BT rules, specifically the one about retaliatory feedback. People who leave undeserved retaliatory feedback sort of get banned. Who determines what's deserved and what's not? BT Admin and Mods.

[Luxury]

Ok, thanks for letting me know that. I'll leave negative feedback when I've already gotten the minis or am pretty sure I won't be getting them.

Pat

[Luxury]

He paypaled me $80 today. I asked for another $5 to cover paypal fees, the price of the money order, my postage and the cost of the delivery confirmation. I don't feel I should lose anything at all on this deal...

Anyhow, the long and short of it seems to be that he's just a bad trader, not a thief, which is good to know.

Pat

[MagickalMemories]

Anyhow, the long and short of it seems to be that he's just a bad trader, not a thief, which is good to know.

Pat

He appears to be a liar, too.

Per your post above:

From: EmpireGeneral8116 ( 0 )
To: Luxury
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Quote message
I dont have a paypal account, so moneyorder would be the only way

(emphasis mine)


Eric

[Luxury]

Good point.

Anyhow, the long and short of it seems to be that he's just a bad trader, not a thief, which is good to know.

Pat

He appears to be a liar, too.

Per your post above:

From: EmpireGeneral8116 ( 0 )
To: Luxury
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Tyranids Quote message
I dont have a paypal account, so moneyorder would be the only way

(emphasis mine)


Eric

[flagg07]

Nice. No PayPal account, yet refunds your MO with PayPal. REGARDLESS of the fact that you got your money back, I agree that you are owed the PP fees as well as the MO fees. I don't care if it came out to a single shiny penny, you do not deserve to be out anything. Even if you get the associated fees, you need to leave some kind of feedback to let future traders know what they are getting into.

[GearHead]

Quick question, but I just want to clarify that the PayPal info matches up with his own, to discount the faint possibility that he just used a friend's account? It does happen on rare occasion...

[starslayer]

Does he have anything to say about this?? He hasnt posted here. Basically he's pretty well finished at Bartertown before he even got started. His first trade is a negative. Who would waste time trading with him??