Mike McLaughlin bad trader

Dewgan1972 · Post by **Dewgan1972** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:22 am

sigh.. i have been patient to a fault up to now.. I was looking for painters back in early spring.. I got a very good guy to paint some.. then i got a suggestion to send some guys to a nap_painter@hotmail.com. Things seemed well enough.. here goes the monthly chatting..

Hi Andy,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, things have been a little busy.
If you are interested, I can send some photos of my work. My prices are
$2.00 fUSD for mounted and $1.00 USD for foot. The cows and pigs would
probably be $1.00 US each, but its hard to say because I have never done
cows or pigs. Anyway, let me know if you want to see some pics and I can
send some tonight.

Mike

(note this was sent to me 3/7/07)

>From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972>
>To: <nap_painter>
>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:23:36 -0500
>
>hello, my name is Andy.. aka(dewgan1972) on bartertown.. Im looking for
>painting services on 15mm figs for DBM, im about to count the troops..
>mostly mounted knights and light horse as well as come cows and pigs ect...
>I just need them painted.. ill base them.. I posted on bartertown needs
>painters needed/for hire. Your name came up by reference by Steven H.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy/Dewgan

then we go here...

Hi Andy,

They're coming along, but very slowly at the moment. I have an order that I
am trying to finsh before I can concentrate on your figs alone.

>From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972>
>To: "Mike Mc Laughlin" <nap_painter>
>Subject: seeing how things are going
>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:27:16 -0400
>
>hey mike, Just checking and seeing how the figs are coming. I have your
>money.. Just have to goto the post office and send it
>
>
>Thanks,
>
> Andy
here we are again..........Hi Andy,

To be honest, the other army is taking longer than I thought. I have your
stuff primed, just looking for a few extra references before I start
painting. I will let you know next week how things are going.

Mike

>From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972>
>To: "Mike Mc Laughlin" <nap_painter>
>Subject: checking up on painting
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:16:02 -0400
>
>hey, This is Andy.. checking up on the painting.. I understand you were
>working on another army. Seeing how its coming along.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy

You are right, my apologies for not getting back to you. I have been busy
traveling for work as well as painting the other army. I have not had a
chance to work on your miniatures yet. If you want, I will return them
immediately. My apologies for not keeping you up to date.

Sincerely,
Mike

>From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972>
>To: "Mike Mc Laughlin" <nap_painter>
>Subject: checking up on painting again
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:55:45 -0400
>
>Hello I thought id drop you a line.. I havnt heard from you in over 2
>months.. Should we just cancel this job? im sorry to be rude.. At least you
>could email me and let me know whats going on. I know you were painting
>another army before my guys. last I heard you about to start on my guys.
>Please let me know whats up.. Thanks,
> Andy

i have this guys address.. should i make a trip to Canada with a ball bat? This is bullcrap.. he sent the response on 8/8/07.. he said he would send them back.. Im sorry guys.. but i HATE theives and liars.. I dont care if you can see my email.... I want everyone to see the crap ive gone through.. and to show anyone else.. this guy is screwing with me.. i would use more harsh language.. But i dont want to get baned.. Cheers, kinda
Dewgan

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:50 am

I looked it up.
I see that the guy has a small BTown account.

I have a couple questions.

Was this transaction actually initiated through BTown?
You know; You saw his ad, he answered yours, something like that.

I don't see any indication either way in the email string you posted. It's almost like the beginning few are missing.

You know, the ones where you introduce yourself or vice versa.

I only ask because it HAS to be a BTown initiated transaction to go through this forum.
No insult or aggrivation intended. Just a heads up.

Also...

i have this guys address.. should i make a trip to Canada with a ball bat?

Careful.
I know you're just venting, but the powers that be here take that kind of talk seriously. Just a fair warning is all. Wouldn't want to see a VICTIM get in trouble here for relatively minor infractions.

Do you have his ph#?

Post his address to help warn away others.

Maybe you can get one of our Norhtern traders to give him a friendly (and I DO mean friendly) visit or call.

Eric

Dewgan1972 · Post by **Dewgan1972** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:08 am

thanks i appreaite that.. i have alot of posts.. not all.. but i wanted a abrevaited list. to keep it simple.. the email addess i got was.. Hi Andy,

You can send the figures to the following address:

Mike McLaughlin
154 Belmont
Pointe-Claire, Quebec
H9R 2P9 Canada

Please declare a value of $20.00 or less or I will be charged duty, which in
turn I will have to charge you. Anyway, 56 figures can't be more than
$20.00. You can pay everything upon completion. Once everything is almost
complete, I will drop you a line so you can send payment.

If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to ask. If you have
any reference material that you would like me to use, please feel free to
send it along as well, or scan pictues and email them.

Mike

He seemed fair.. i went back to look for the posting.. i dont see it anymore:-/ Thats why i have shown my email as well as his to show im not messing around.. i have a long temper. I have failed i guess at saving the post on here.

And i showed who said they used him.. Like i said im new to this... Im open to discusion.

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:03 pm

That's cool.
You handled the most important part... you confirmed that it was initiated through here.

Looks like your bases are covered to me. Now to just get someone up north to help...

Eric

insidius · Post by **insidius** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:53 pm

As per the rules, please post ALL correspondence between you and the trader in question.

I know it's an ass pain, but it's also the rules.

Dewgan1972 · Post by **Dewgan1972** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:52 pm

ok.. here is everything i have saved. Hi Andy,

You can get them at your local post office. The copy you would send me is
pink and orange. I have included a black and white copy as a sample for you.

Mike

>From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972>
>To: "Mike Mc Laughlin" <nap_painter>
>Subject: Re: Painting Service
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:01:23 -0400
>
>international money order? Ive heard of money orders.. where would I go to
>get one?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Mc Laughlin<mailto>
> To: dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Painting Service
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>>
> >To: "Mike Mc Laughlin"
><nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto>>
> >Subject: Re: Painting Service
> >Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:09:31 -0500
> >
> >hey mike.. I just went to the local ups store and shipped them.. they
>will
> >heading your way monday. Payment wise when your done.. Paypal?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike Mc
>Laughlin<mailto:nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto>>
> > To:
>dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto:dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>>
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: Painting Service
> >
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > You can send the figures to the following address:
> >
> > Mike McLaughlin
> > 154 Belmont
> > Pointe-Claire, Quebec
> > H9R 2P9 Canada
> >
> > Please declare a value of $20.00 or less or I will be charged duty,
> >which in
> > turn I will have to charge you. Anyway, 56 figures can't be more
>than
> > $20.00. You can pay everything upon completion. Once everything is
> >almost
> > complete, I will drop you a line so you can send payment.
> >
> > If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to ask. If you
> >have
> > any reference material that you would like me to use, please feel
>free
> >to
> > send it along as well, or scan pictues and email them.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Andy Swingle"
><dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto:dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>>>
> > >To: "Mike Mc Laughlin"
>
> ><nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto:nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto>>>
> > >Subject: Re: Painting Service
> > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:55:25 -0500
> > >
> > >actually... I do have some stuff that needs painted I got some 15mm
> >archers
> > >and handgunners in.. 56 figs.. so 56 dollars +shipping? pay half
>for
> >start
> > >and the rest when completed?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mike Mc
>
> >Laughlin<mailto:nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto:nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto>>>
> > > To:
>
> >dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto:dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto:dewgan1972@msn.com%3Cmailto:dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:28 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Painting Service
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Andy,
> > >
> > > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, things have been a
> >little
> > >busy.
> > > If you are interested, I can send some photos of my work. My
>prices
> >are
> > > $2.00 fUSD for mounted and $1.00 USD for foot. The cows and pigs
> >would
> > > probably be $1.00 US each, but its hard to say because I have
>never
> >done
> > > cows or pigs. Anyway, let me know if you want to see some pics
>and I
> >can
> > > send some tonight.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Andy Swingle"
>
> ><dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto:dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto:dewgan1972@msn.com%3Cmailto:dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>>>>
> > > >To:
>
> ><nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto:nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto:nap_painter@hotmail.com%3Cmailto:nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto>>>>
> > > >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:23:36 -0500
> > > >
> > > >hello, my name is Andy.. aka(dewgan1972) on bartertown.. Im
>looking
> >for
> > > >painting services on 15mm figs for DBM, im about to count the
> >troops..
> > > >mostly mounted knights and light horse as well as come cows and
> >pigs
> > >ect...
> > > >I just need them painted.. ill base them.. I posted on
>bartertown
> >needs
> > > >painters needed/for hire. Your name came up by reference by
>Steven
> >H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Andy/Dewgan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> Hi Andy,
>
> Sorry for not replying sooner, but my email has been down. I will let
>you
> know whn your figures arrvie. As for payment, sorry, I don't have paypal
> (actually my ex-wife got it!). Unfortunately, payment must be either
> international money order or cash (registered mail).
>
> Mike

then..Hi Andy,

To be honest, the other army is taking longer than I thought. I have your
stuff primed, just looking for a few extra references before I start
painting. I will let you know next week how things are going.

Mike

>From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972>
>To: "Mike Mc Laughlin" <nap_painter>
>Subject: checking up on painting
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:16:02 -0400
>
>hey, This is Andy.. checking up on the painting.. I understand you were
>working on another army. Seeing how its coming along.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy

then..Andy,

I will get them in the mail by this weekend.

Mike

>From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972>
>To: "Mike Mc Laughlin" <nap_painter>
>Subject: Re: checking up on painting again
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:25:26 -0400
>
>Just go ahead and send them back.. Ill need them soon. My address is
>Andy Swingle
>433 voyager dr.
>Groveport, ohio, 43125
>
>Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Mc Laughlin<mailto>
> To: dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:17 AM
> Subject: RE: checking up on painting again
>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> You are right, my apologies for not getting back to you. I have been
>busy
> traveling for work as well as painting the other army. I have not had a
> chance to work on your miniatures yet. If you want, I will return them
> immediately. My apologies for not keeping you up to date.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mike
>
>
> >From: "Andy Swingle" <dewgan1972@msn.com<mailto>>
> >To: "Mike Mc Laughlin"
><nap_painter@hotmail.com<mailto>>
> >Subject: checking up on painting again
> >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:55:45 -0400
> >
> >Hello I thought id drop you a line.. I havnt heard from you in over 2
> >months.. Should we just cancel this job? im sorry to be rude.. At least
>you
> >could email me and let me know whats going on. I know you were painting
> >another army before my guys. last I heard you about to start on my
>guys.
> >Please let me know whats up.. Thanks,
> > Andy
>

took me some time to get every thing in order... But that all the email between the two of us.. Thanks!

BCI · Post by **BCI** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:40 am

insidius wrote:As per the rules, please post ALL correspondence between you and the trader in question.

I know it's an ass pain, but it's also the rules.

Linrandir: Bad Trader Reporting Rules - Caveat Emptor! wrote: You MUST!!! have the following:
Proof of Bartertown-based transaction:
scanned receipt (USPS, UPS, Fed-Ex, etc.),
emails with complete headers,
private messages,
or other form of communication that clearly states what was being traded for what, when, who was sending first, when the packages were sent, and so forth!

I think they took the "you must post every message" part out.

But the complete headers, I think they've been around since day 1.