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BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:12 am
by hidden_number13
On September 7th i posted my minions to trade for Circle.
On same day i got offer from Agentgraves to trade his circle part with my minions and i shipped my part on Sept 9th.
Norman acknowledged that his girlfriend has received the package and it was in good shape. He said he wont be home til Sunday night which was 18th.
However i received no word from him on 18th and i contacted him regarding what happened with the trade / shipment on 19th and 23rd.
Since it has been a week overdue since his promised shipping date and even if his busy with work not contacting me for over a week is a form of bad trade here is the BTR against Norman Glover.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:19 am
by AgentGraves

Subject: H : Minion W : Circle

"hidden_number13 wrote:
I got some minion stuff i would like to trade for Circle.
I'm only looking to trade and this is an international trade. However, I'm willing to ship first to seal the deal.

Have

Witch doctor
Brew witch doctor
Wrongeye n snapjaw
Bull snapper
Croak Raiders *airbrushed green with secret miniature swamp base for all of them
bokor & Shambler *just cleaned whitemetals not even built.
Vault painted nicely w base from secret miniature

Want
Circle
Don't have anything would like something that is not BB related"


What were you looking for in Circle?
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:33 pm
by hidden_number13

Looking for anything. Dont have anything at the moment.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:42 am
by AgentGraves

Ok
Well I do have the new battle box assembled and primed with the
Wild argus painted but I see you are not looking for that
I have
Baulder 1
Warp wolf Stalker with base paint and magnetized
Warp wolf Kit NIB
Reeves NIB
Druids painted
2x shifting stones
2x sentry stones
Wold guardian
Weird wold
Thran blood trackers w/ ua
Thran white mane solo
Gnarlhorn Satyr painted poor but metal
Scarsfel Griff

Maybe we can work something out ?
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:21 pm
by hidden_number13

I'm sending you zip file for the pics just in case. Also please make sure you don't overlook my previous msg due to this new msg
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:19 pm
by hidden_number13

Alright I've sent those pics to your email.
In the pics shambler is not in the groupshot because they were at home and i took them separately.
Pics inc pics of the goods and how they were packed. The plastic cases were seal via tape to ensure contents dont fall out.

Also could i get your phone number? I need to write your phone number on my shipping order to ensure post office can reach you if they have problem.
FYI it is friday for me and by the time i get your number it will be sat. So i will be able to ship them on monday, which is sunday for you, i hope that is okay with you.
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:38 pm
by hidden_number13

Sure i will get pics inc how i packed them as well.
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:58 am
by AgentGraves

if possible could you take a few pictures of what you are sending so that I can confirm that you have what you say you have? I will do the same when I get home. if you need an email use trade.a-graves@outlook.com
thanks
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:12 am
by AgentGraves

Sounds great
Norm Glover
715 Richey Rd
Zanesville Ohio
43701
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:09 am
by hidden_number13

Turns out my friend gave me older version of BB thus I'm more than willing to take the tanith BB.

Battlebox
Baulder 1
Warp wolf Stalker with base paint and magnetized
Warp wolf Kit NIB
Reeves NIB
Druids painted
2x shifting stones
2x sentry stones
Thran blood trackers w/ ua
Scarsfel Griff
retail $354

My list
Sacral Vault
Croak raider
Bokor&Shambler
Wrongeye & Snap jaw
bullsnapper
witch doctor
Brew witch doctor
retail $352

factoring in your magentized stalker and my scenic bases for croaks and sacral vault i think trade value is about even.
Are you ok with the trade above? If so send me your address and i will ship mine as soon as i get the address.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:12 am
by AgentGraves

Sounds great
Norm Glover
715 Richey Rd
Zanesville Ohio
43701
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:58 am
by AgentGraves

if possible could you take a few pictures of what you are sending so that I can confirm that you have what you say you have? I will do the same when I get home. if you need an email use trade.a-graves@outlook.com
thanks
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:38 pm
by hidden_number13

Sure i will get pics inc how i packed them as well.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:19 pm
by hidden_number13

Alright I've sent those pics to your email.
In the pics shambler is not in the groupshot because they were at home and i took them separately.
Pics inc pics of the goods and how they were packed. The plastic cases were seal via tape to ensure contents dont fall out.

Also could i get your phone number? I need to write your phone number on my shipping order to ensure post office can reach you if they have problem.
FYI it is friday for me and by the time i get your number it will be sat. So i will be able to ship them on monday, which is sunday for you, i hope that is okay with you.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:21 pm
by hidden_number13

I'm sending you zip file for the pics just in case. Also please make sure you don't overlook my previous msg due to this new msg
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:13 pm
by AgentGraves

Phone number is
740 868 7247
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:50 am
by hidden_number13

Shipped them right before they closed! Used faster shipping enjoy. My address is
*my address*
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:12 pm
by AgentGraves

Sorry for the delay in reply. Very busy here. Any idea how long the package will take to get here? Is there some kind of tracking to check?
Pictures look fantastic.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:04 pm
by hidden_number13

I've used fast shipping over slower one and the lady at the counter said it will be about a week. I get updates via txt msg and it is being processed at the international import station.
My guess is it will be there earliest Wed your time and latest friday your time.
If it doens't i will have serious problem w post lady since it costed me double to get them shipped faster. lol

I will keep sending you msg whenever i get update
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:51 pm
by hidden_number13

Just got a msg saying paxkage arrived at your resident but no one was there so post office said they left msg. Did you get it?
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:10 pm
by AgentGraves

How is this package coming. UPS, FED EX or regular post? Do i need to sign for it?
Also did it say what time they tried? Do you have a tracking number so that I can check on it?
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:42 pm
by hidden_number13

Should have been around 12th 20:40ish.
Post should be via EMS and they will nake you sign before handing over the package.
Once i get home i will contact them and give you tracking number.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:54 pm
by AgentGraves

Ok. Usually no one is here between 8am and 4pm during the week. I will check on note and see who i need to call.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:04 pm
by hidden_number13

https://trace.epost.go.kr/xtts/servlet/ ... svl.SttSVL

ES148284043KR
This is the website and above is the tracking.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:23 pm
by AgentGraves

Ok. I see where it is. My local post has it.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:58 pm
by hidden_number13

Alright! Now i feel relaxed lol enjoy minion!
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:49 am
by AgentGraves

Ok. My girlfriend was able to pick up the box yesterday. She said the box was in good condition. I wont be home until Sunday night. My job has me on an emergency case. I will check everything out when I get home and ship your Circle Items out ASAP.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:09 am
by hidden_number13

Gotcha!
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:35 pm
by hidden_number13

Its tuesday and since i havent heard from you sending this msg requesting update! cheers
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**********Separate msg i've sent in case he didnt notice
Regarding our trade.
Sent: Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:54 am
From: hidden_number13(24)
To: AgentGraves

Hey, you haven't read my previous msg and last login is last friday which is worrying me since i havent received any msg regarding your part of the trade. Judging from your previous msgs you are busy at work but if you dont reply to me regarding our trade by next monday i will post BTR and etc.

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In the msg some of my "date" is kind of off due to me being in Korea and Date/time is different with Ohio.

I think i found his facebook which he posted in Minion / circle group page on sept 10th. But he has not replied to my msg yet. (simple inquired if he was the one i have trade with and requested confirmation)

Wasn't sure how long i needed to wait but with no communication i think waiting a full week was valid enough.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:20 am
by hidden_number13
On September 7th i posted my minions to trade for Circle.
On same day i got offer from Agentgraves to trade his circle part with my minions and i shipped my part on Sept 9th.
Norman acknowledged that his girlfriend has received the package and it was in good shape. He said he wont be home til Sunday night which was 18th.
However i received no word from him on 18th and i contacted him regarding what happened with the trade / shipment on 19th and 23rd.
Since it has been a week overdue since his promised shipping date and even if his busy with work not contacting me for over a week is a form of bad trade here is the BTR against Norman Glover.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:19 am
by AgentGraves

Subject: H : Minion W : Circle

"hidden_number13 wrote:
I got some minion stuff i would like to trade for Circle.
I'm only looking to trade and this is an international trade. However, I'm willing to ship first to seal the deal.

Have

Witch doctor
Brew witch doctor
Wrongeye n snapjaw
Bull snapper
Croak Raiders *airbrushed green with secret miniature swamp base for all of them
bokor & Shambler *just cleaned whitemetals not even built.
Vault painted nicely w base from secret miniature

Want
Circle
Don't have anything would like something that is not BB related"


What were you looking for in Circle?
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:33 pm
by hidden_number13

Looking for anything. Dont have anything at the moment.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:42 am
by AgentGraves

Ok
Well I do have the new battle box assembled and primed with the
Wild argus painted but I see you are not looking for that
I have
Baulder 1
Warp wolf Stalker with base paint and magnetized
Warp wolf Kit NIB
Reeves NIB
Druids painted
2x shifting stones
2x sentry stones
Wold guardian
Weird wold
Thran blood trackers w/ ua
Thran white mane solo
Gnarlhorn Satyr painted poor but metal
Scarsfel Griff

Maybe we can work something out ?
==============================================================================================

Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:09 am
by hidden_number13

Turns out my friend gave me older version of BB thus I'm more than willing to take the tanith BB.

Battlebox
Baulder 1
Warp wolf Stalker with base paint and magnetized
Warp wolf Kit NIB
Reeves NIB
Druids painted
2x shifting stones
2x sentry stones
Thran blood trackers w/ ua
Scarsfel Griff
retail $354

My list
Sacral Vault
Croak raider
Bokor&Shambler
Wrongeye & Snap jaw
bullsnapper
witch doctor
Brew witch doctor
retail $352

factoring in your magentized stalker and my scenic bases for croaks and sacral vault i think trade value is about even.
Are you ok with the trade above? If so send me your address and i will ship mine as soon as i get the address.
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:12 am
by AgentGraves

Sounds great
Norm Glover
715 Richey Rd
Zanesville Ohio
43701
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:58 am
by AgentGraves

if possible could you take a few pictures of what you are sending so that I can confirm that you have what you say you have? I will do the same when I get home. if you need an email use trade.a-graves@outlook.com
thanks
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:38 pm
by hidden_number13

Sure i will get pics inc how i packed them as well.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:19 pm
by hidden_number13

Alright I've sent those pics to your email.
In the pics shambler is not in the groupshot because they were at home and i took them separately.
Pics inc pics of the goods and how they were packed. The plastic cases were seal via tape to ensure contents dont fall out.

Also could i get your phone number? I need to write your phone number on my shipping order to ensure post office can reach you if they have problem.
FYI it is friday for me and by the time i get your number it will be sat. So i will be able to ship them on monday, which is sunday for you, i hope that is okay with you.
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:21 pm
by hidden_number13

I'm sending you zip file for the pics just in case. Also please make sure you don't overlook my previous msg due to this new msg
==============================================================================================

Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:13 pm
by AgentGraves

Phone number is
740 868 7247
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:50 am
by hidden_number13

Shipped them right before they closed! Used faster shipping enjoy. My address is
*my address*
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:12 pm
by AgentGraves

Sorry for the delay in reply. Very busy here. Any idea how long the package will take to get here? Is there some kind of tracking to check?
Pictures look fantastic.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:04 pm
by hidden_number13

I've used fast shipping over slower one and the lady at the counter said it will be about a week. I get updates via txt msg and it is being processed at the international import station.
My guess is it will be there earliest Wed your time and latest friday your time.
If it doens't i will have serious problem w post lady since it costed me double to get them shipped faster. lol

I will keep sending you msg whenever i get update
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:51 pm
by hidden_number13

Just got a msg saying paxkage arrived at your resident but no one was there so post office said they left msg. Did you get it?
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:10 pm
by AgentGraves

How is this package coming. UPS, FED EX or regular post? Do i need to sign for it?
Also did it say what time they tried? Do you have a tracking number so that I can check on it?
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:42 pm
by hidden_number13

Should have been around 12th 20:40ish.
Post should be via EMS and they will nake you sign before handing over the package.
Once i get home i will contact them and give you tracking number.
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:54 pm
by AgentGraves

Ok. Usually no one is here between 8am and 4pm during the week. I will check on note and see who i need to call.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:04 pm
by hidden_number13

https://trace.epost.go.kr/xtts/servlet/ ... svl.SttSVL

ES148284043KR
This is the website and above is the tracking.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:23 pm
by AgentGraves

Ok. I see where it is. My local post has it.
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Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:58 pm
by hidden_number13

Alright! Now i feel relaxed lol enjoy minion!
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:49 am
by AgentGraves

Ok. My girlfriend was able to pick up the box yesterday. She said the box was in good condition. I wont be home until Sunday night. My job has me on an emergency case. I will check everything out when I get home and ship your Circle Items out ASAP.
==============================================================================================

Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:09 am
by hidden_number13

Gotcha!
==============================================================================================
Re: H : Minion W : Circle
Sent: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:35 pm
by hidden_number13

Its tuesday and since i havent heard from you sending this msg requesting update! cheers
==============================================================================================
**********Separate msg i've sent in case he didnt notice
Regarding our trade.
Sent: Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:54 am
From: hidden_number13(24)
To: AgentGraves

Hey, you haven't read my previous msg and last login is last friday which is worrying me since i havent received any msg regarding your part of the trade. Judging from your previous msgs you are busy at work but if you dont reply to me regarding our trade by next monday i will post BTR and etc.

==============================================================================================
In the msg some of my "date" is kind of off due to me being in Korea and Date/time is different with Ohio.

I think i found his facebook which he posted in Minion / circle group page on sept 10th. But he has not replied to my msg yet. (simple inquired if he was the one i have trade with and requested confirmation)

Wasn't sure how long i needed to wait but with no communication i think waiting a full week was valid enough.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:20 am
by hidden_number13
Sorry for the double post. First one got messed up for some reason and had to reworked the msg sequence. I'm also thinking of asking FB circle/minion pages to see if anyone knows him in person. good or bad idea?

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:40 pm
by Forsaken Poptart
Norman D. Glover is a member of the Circle Orboros facebook group.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:39 pm
by hidden_number13
Called him twice.
first call i left msg and second one went straight to voice msg after 2~3 ring. Going to try call him again tomorrow.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:15 pm
by MagickalMemories
Forsaken Poptart wrote:Norman D. Glover is a member of the Circle Orboros facebook group.
Got a link to the group?
To his Facebook profile?

Eric

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:33 pm
by hidden_number13
MagickalMemories wrote:
Forsaken Poptart wrote:Norman D. Glover is a member of the Circle Orboros facebook group.
Got a link to the group?
To his Facebook profile?

Eric
https://www.facebook.com/nglover?fref=ts
This was his account he used to post in Circle page on August and in minion page on Sept. However, he is no longer part of the group.
Not sure if he left the group after i contacted him via FB msg or not.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:38 pm
by hidden_number13
Called him third time today around 6:35pm his time and once again didn't get to talk to him.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:33 pm
by MagickalMemories
I found a couple "Friends" of his on Facebook.

I have had SUCCESS in the past by contacting Friends or Family who, in turn, contacted the person for me. Once, it ended up that the person claimed he'd forgotten. Every other time, it was obvious that the person realized his BS would get out to others if he didn't get his ****together, and they took care of their responsibilities.

https://www.facebook.com/rhonda.vanemon
https://www.facebook.com/CbusDith - Status shows that she's in a relationship with him.
https://www.facebook.com/brita.meyerskinney?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/alli.glover.5? ... nds.search - Same last name. At least one friend in common. Were friends at one point in time, at least.
https://www.facebook.com/lillyjanetr?fref=ts - Were friends at one point, if not still.
https://www.facebook.com/janice.a.taylo ... le_browser
https://www.facebook.com/ron.woods.96?f ... le_browser
https://www.facebook.com/will.ballog?fr ... le_browser
https://www.facebook.com/loretta.c.lest ... le_browser

If I was in your shoes, I would reach out to all of these people via Facebook message, give them a brief synopsis of what has happened and tell them you are concerned that something Might have happened to him & you want to be sure he is okay.

Eric

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:30 pm
by hidden_number13
Glover reached me via FB msg and requested for address to ship his part.
I will keep up the update. thanks for the help magik!

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:40 pm
by hidden_number13
Norman once again is not responding my msg via facebook asking for his planned shipping day of his part of trade. At the moment Ive reached out to his girlfriend to contact him for me. Will keep update.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:19 am
by hidden_number13
Last week was his 3rd promised shipping date but once again he went under. I've reached out to his contacts which i assume forced him to contact me to give empty promises and now it is clear that he isn't planning to keep his end of bargain.
Can i contact his local police or will that be no help what so ever?

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:11 pm
by MagickalMemories
His local PD will tell you to call yours.
Yours will tell you to call his.
They may also tell you it's a civil and not criminal issue.

Call, don't write, his local PD. Ask for someone who can help you with internet based theft.
Be polite.
Sound desperate. Yes. It helps.
Just tell him/her that YOUR PD won't open a police report on it and says his has to. Tell him all you want is for someone to knock on his door or something.

You'll have to just wing it and be as charismatic as possible.

Eric

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:18 pm
by pretre
viewtopic.php?f=103&t=271379

Looks like he has done this before.

"Sent: Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:23 am
by RolloVer
Mine is
Norman Glover
715 Richey Rd
Zanesville Ohio
43701"

Also, according to refs, Porkus has met him in person.

Re: BTR : Agentgraves AKA Norman Glover

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:00 pm
by MagickalMemories
Dammit.
On top of that, it looks like he was using Agentgraves and RolloVer simultaneously.

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=74872
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76874

I see a Hall of Shame post coming soon.

Eric