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Back on June 6th I contacted bishop120x about some Warmachine figures that he was selling. We made a deal for $55 shipped and I politely asked him to ensure that he packed the figures up carefully, since I've been hit by a rash of deals lately where people pack the figures poorly and they arrive broken. He told me no problem, that he'd pack them with cushioning. When they arrived, there were 12 infantry models placed in a ziploc bag with absolutely no packing materials, and two warjacks placed into another ziploc bag with absolutely no packing materials. Both bags were then stuffed into a Small Flate-Rate Priority Mail box. I've attempted communication with him via PM here and through his email address. I know that he's logged in since them and read the messages (they're not in my Outbox), but he has chosen not to respond. I'm opening up a BTR in hopes of resolving this before I have to leave negative feedback and file a Paypal claim for the goods arriving broken.


Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:36 pm
by mightyspacepope

mightyspacepope wrote:Hey!

If you have these, I'm interested in buying them:

1xmule metal $10.00
1x Nomad metal $12.00
10x devil dogs $18.00
Reinholdt $2.50
Anastaia d bray $4.00

How much shipped to 08071?

Subject: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

bishop120x wrote:Edit postReport this postReply with quoteH:mercs ,Skorne,Cryx,Khador,cheap W: paypal
by bishop120x » Wed May 23, 2012 11:43 am

This is what I have for trade or sale.
Khador
Drago Nib $32.00
Khador plastic jack box Nib $22.00
Black Ivan Nib $9.00
Battle mechanik officer nib $15.00


Minions
Maelok the deathbound nib $14.00
Calaban the grave walker nib $14.00

Mercs




Cryx
Deathjack NIB $25.00
2010 Skarre Nib $7.00

Skorne
Nib archidon $20.00
Nib cataphract cetrati box$22.00
Nib E hexeris$9.00
Nib master Naaresh$8.00
Nib tyrant Vorkesh $8.00
Old metal morghoul $3.00 no card

Cygnar
Minuteman nib $10.00


Shippingbased on buyer location or flat rate if it saves money

Wants Trollbloods
pyg bushwackers or burrowers
pyre troll
Earthborn dire troll

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:32 pm
by bishop120x

bishop120x wrote:Shipping will be$7.00

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:34 pm
by mightyspacepope

mightyspacepope wrote:So, about $55 altogether? What's your paypal address?

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:35 pm
by bishop120x

bishop120x wrote:Parachutesareforwussies@yahoo.com

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:38 pm
by mightyspacepope

mightyspacepope wrote:Sent!

My address is:

[redacted]

Please try to pack the minis up as carefully as you can. I don't mean to be rude, but I've been hit by a rash of shippers lately who are packing the models up poorly and they arrive in horrible shape.

Thanks!

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:54 am
by bishop120x

bishop120x wrote:no problem. I put the items into ziplock bags wrapped in tissue or napkins etc

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:24 am
by bishop120x

bishop120x wrote:Hello,

Your comformation number is 9405 5036 9930 0043 4674 01.
Thanks

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:42 am
by mightyspacepope

mightyspacepope wrote:Hello,

So the minis arrived and were shipped without any packing protection whatsoever (just stuffed into plastic bags and then stuffed into a small Priority Mailer. I would like to return the minis and receive a refund including the cost of shipping ($55 I paid + $5 to return to you).

The price you offered was excellent, but it's not worth my time to try to fix these up.

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:47 am
by mightyspacepope

mightyspacepope wrote:Here's a picture of how they arrived:

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Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:52 am
by mightyspacepope

mightyspacepope wrote:Please respond so that I don't have to open a BTR report.

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He logged in on Friday, June 22nd and has read my PMs, but has chosen not to respond to it. I also sent an email last night to the address he gave me for paypal reading:

"Hello,

Please respond to my PM on the Bartertown forum. I would prefer not having to open a Bad Trader Report or having to file a paypal claim. Thank you."


Again, I would like to resolve this without having to resort to negative feedback or a paypal claim, and I'm resorting to a BTR in hopes of getting an actual response.

Looks solid to me.

Eric

Update: He has contacted me saying he'd refund the money via certified letter.

He contacted you via Certified letter, or he'd refund it that way?
I don't like the idea of a refund by mail, myself. I am NOT making any accusations about him in general, just making some observations about non-specific individuals in the past; there are those who've made "alternate refund" promises, only to never follow through with them. Once the PayPal 45 day window's over, they're gone.

IMO, in situations like this (regardless who the party in question is), the refund should be done via PayPal only. Heaven knows what someone could send in the mail and, if they're exceptionally 'advanced' in their tricks, they could easily send you a false payment document.

Eric

To reiterate: NO SPECIFIC accusations about bishop120x here - just commenting based on my experience in general with situations like this.

Thanks for the head's up. I had actually already PMed him asking why not just refund through paypal, but have not received an answer back yet (although again, he read it).

He contacted me via PM and said:

Re: H: Skorne,Khador,Cryx,Mercs,Minions W:paypal or trolls

Sent: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:25 pm
From: bishop120x(30)
To: mightyspacepope

"Hello,

Sorry for the late reply. I'll send you a certifed letter to you with the $60.00."

file a claim with paypal.. you can always drop it later.

kturock wrote:file a claim with paypal.. you can always drop it later.

This.

kturock wrote:file a claim with paypal.. you can always drop it later.

Exactly.
No insult intended towards HIM... but YOU have to protect YOURSELF first.


Eric

I'm working on doing so as I type this up.

Also, while doing research for the Paypal claim, I found this:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=29998&p=329207#p329207

From above link, in case it gets edited:

bishop120x wrote:Need help with first return. A trade was recently completed within 7days and the buyer wants a refund due to packaging issue he claims. What are Bartertowns rules on this? I want to make sure that I do everything right. Thanks.

Just an update, I escalated this to a claim with paypal. I'm waiting on paypal to respond.

As another update, paypal ruled in my favor, the money is back in my account.

I shot off an email to bishop120x to initiate the return of the figures.

SHIP THEM WITH TRACKING/DELIVERY CONFIRMATION.
Preferably, send them with a signature required.

Once you have confirmation (Via bishop or USPS, etc.) that the minis are in his possession, put that info in the BTR and THEN we'll mark it closed.


Eric