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So I am not the type of guy to get mad at people but this guy has been jerking me around for far too long. He is basically avoiding me. I have tried e-mailing and calling him and I'm getting no answer. I gave him $100 up front to finish painting some GKs and then when I got the rest I would pay for the army. He has an account on dakka dakka so I signed up for that to try and track him down. At this point I just want my money back because this is ridiculous and it's from November. Our thread is a bit scattered because we used phone, e-mail and bartertown at first I was lenient with him but it all started to sound like stall tactics after awhile.

Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:25 pm
by flyingwhale

Sure what number could I use? I have time for a ten min call later.

please call my home number if you call me

REDACTED PERSONAL INFO

Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:58 pm
by IdentifyZero

Hey man,

I just got back to Canada today and I wanted to talk to you. Do you mind if I give you a call tonight?

Thanks man,


Will
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:19 pm
by flyingwhale

Also an incinerator on the dread knight. Or heavy incinerator whichever one he is supposed to have
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:02 pm
by flyingwhale

okay thanks friend

Stay in touch and have a merry Xmas
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:37 pm
by flyingwhale

that's fine. If you just send me the bits for them is that cool?
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:10 pm
by flyingwhale

And If you could paint up 2 banners that I could switch in and out would be awesome too
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:13 pm
by flyingwhale

This is how I need them equipped

2 x Apothecary - Force Sword
2 x Incinerator - Force Sword
3 x Daemon Hammers
2 x Halberds
1 x Warding Staff
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:12 pm
by IdentifyZero

hahha nevermind, didn't realize you had such an extensive collection! sounds intense man.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:43 pm
by IdentifyZero

Hey, send me an email at breakonthrough@gmail.com so I can send you a receipt.


Cheers
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:33 pm
by IdentifyZero

I'd be willing to trade the castle for the guard you had before or something. Just let me know, it's not doing anything right now.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:32 pm
by IdentifyZero

Yeah we can do that.

$175 for the models.

$100 Paint & Base Dreadknight and Draigo.

My personal details are as follows:

William Mohammed
RR#1 22 Sideroad 6259
Acton, Ontario
L7J 2L7
REDACTED PERSONAL INFO - Cell can call or text anytime
REDACTED PERSONAL INFO - House phone, no late calls.

PayPal: cort.will.ebay@gmail.com (Please send it as a gift to avoid paypal fees, I hate those).
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:24 pm
by IdentifyZero

Also, just wondering if you were interested in the castle still as I'd be willing to do a trade for it.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:47 pm
by IdentifyZero

I also have a few Inquisitorial models I can toss in for you to I found.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:45 pm
by IdentifyZero

Alright.

As a bonus, once we've finalized the deal I'm going to give you a piece of information that will change your life. I'm not kidding. Might change your 40k life though. It's valuable info, not passed on too many people. lol
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:27 pm
by IdentifyZero

5 of the Paladins need their heads put on. 5 need their weapon arms re-attached. Painting needs to be finished.

Librarian, I put the head back on and fixed his weapon. He needs painting to be finished.

If we can work out the details before thursday is over I can get them sent out to you this week.

As is, it would be $195 with tracked shipping and I'll even throw in some extra stuff for you like some parts to make a few power armor gk. Then you could use your extra money to expand your army.

If we got this taken care of tonight, I could have it sent out before 5 tomorrow and you'd probably get it by wednesday or thursay at the latest.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:55 pm
by IdentifyZero

Honestly, I could just give you the exact list of colors used and the scheme I did and you could paint them.

It's not that I wouldn't like to paint them for you, there is just a time investment as well as materials that I have to make to do the models. Realistically, a figure like Draigo for example is going to take me upwards of 5 hours. Even at $45 that does not take into account the paints, brush usage, varnish etc...

I don't do commission stuff often, just cause I don't have a lot of free time and I have to make sure the time I am spending is commensurate.

Why don't you just grab them for $175 + shipping as is?

I will include a crapload of spare weapons and weapon options, arms etc.. so you can even do magnetizations or whatever you want.

I mean if you really really want them painted, the prices are more a reflection of the time I have to put more than anything else and it's my free time at that as I work/go to school. When you take materials into account, I'm making less then minimum wage when I do this kind of work.

Like I said, I'm more than happy to give you an exact listing of colors and method used to paint, it's fairly straightforward at this point and I don't mind taking the time to type up a little guide for you.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:01 pm
by IdentifyZero

Ok, here is what I have figured out.

$190 for the models including re-attachment of all arms etc..

Painting


$50 Dreadknight or $65 Magnetized
$45 Kaldor Draigo
$50 9 Paladins and Librarian
$40 Brother-Captain Stern
$40 Assassins (Although, you could just as well paint these since they are not matched to GKs obviously)

Included for free is modifying the weapon loadouts how you wanted and including of spare weapons and bitz, many which will be painted.

This would bring the total for all painting and converting work to $225 ($240 with magnetized Dreadknight) AND if you wanted them scenicly based, it would be $3/model (14 models) it would be an additional $42 and I would do the Dreadknight's base as a bonus.

$282 - All models painted and scenic based, dreadknight magnetized with options of weapons and easy transportion.

Which I will drop down to $260 + $190 for the GKs themselves which would bring the total to $450.

If you want to remove some options from that i.e not having assassins painted, models scenic based and/or dreadknight magnetization let me know and I can adjust the price accordingly.

Assuming you go the above route though, I will also include a foam tray to go inside of a figure case that I will cut to fit for the models and I will cover the cost of tracked shipping AND I will also drill out all bolters/storm bolters as an additional bonus to make the models that much better.

It would be 1/2 of the value paid before I begin work and then the other 1/2 paid out when I have completed the project and I am sending it out.

To clarify, this would be $450 - all units painted, based, dreadknight magnetized.
Bonuses: all weapons drilled, foam tray for the infantry, shipping (as a bonus from me)

Just let me know what we're going to do. If I started next week, I estimate I'd be done in less than 14 days. As we approach the end of November/Beginning of December I will get a bit busier.

I have PayPal or I can take a cheque.

Cheers
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:30 am
by IdentifyZero

I know GK well, I never lost a game or came close. Those paladins only ever took a single casualty, apothecary = key to victory because you get 2 saves vs 90% of weapons fire.

After I get home I'll try to give you a proper figure. I forgot to mention as well, unless you did not want me to, I would be gloss varnishing when finished.

Also, did you want them scenic based or not or just regular painted color.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:28 am
by IdentifyZero

Yeah, I only have 1 per squad available unfortunately. I ran them Psycannon/Incinerator so they could handle any threat. Incinerator let them fry up hordes and psycannon could rend vehicles or shoot up infantry.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:23 am
by IdentifyZero

It's not that he is an actual 'Justicar', Brother Captain Stern miniature just rounds the Paladins out at 10 or can be used as Brother-Captain Stern when wanted.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:22 am
by IdentifyZero

Trust me, you NEED the apothecaries. This is what makes your Paladins able to survive against high firepower.

It's simply not worth playing Paladins without the apothecary. This is how Paladins work:

Each unit, you equip with unique wargear so you can allocate wounds and do not have any models the same in a unit. This allows you to have multiple guys alive each with a wound.

The trick to survival: Is the apothecary.

Vs AP2 weapons and power weaponry, the Grey Knight Paladins only have a 5+ Invulnerable save.
VS normal weaponry, AP3 and up, they have a 2+ save. If they fail this save, with a apothecary, they re-roll and on a 4+ they save the wound.

This is what makes them survivable. The points for each guy is the best points you would spend per unit. Otherwise, you would may as well run normal terminators.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:57 am
by IdentifyZero

Hey, a Justicar is just like a sergeant, he's considered the squad leader i.e the one who would take a perils of the warp if he got hit. I will try my best to get a final sort of cash figure for you together tonight on the total cost of the painting. I can also arm the troops exactly as you wanted of course. I would however, suggest putting apothecaries in the Paladin squads as FeelNo Pain is what really keeps them survivable vs small arms fire. It lets them take their 2+ save and if they fail it, they get a 4+ (vs non power weapons, instant death stuff)
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:42 am
by IdentifyZero

Also:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/po ... 05179.page

Has some examples of my recent work including a unit I painted recently.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:40 am
by IdentifyZero

I forgot abotu the Brother-Captain Stern miniature as well in the little rundown. He would take me about the same ammount of time as Draigo.

I would also note, that I can base them similar to the purifiers I linked to you, with the Resin skulls and slate pieces for $3/miniature painted otherwise just a color of your choice.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:00 am
by IdentifyZero

Alright Jordan, I go by Will.

I've done commission work in the past (I will say my work is high standard, definitely not golden demon unfortunately but those guys charge way more).

Anyways.

I was asking $175 as is, I was going to list on Ebay for $199 with the arms fixed, so let's consider $190 with all models together and on bases as our starting point (I always remove $10 off an auction price when doing off ebay).

To finish the 9 Paladins and Librarian, I said $50.

The assassins I could do for $40 ($20 each, estimate about 2 hours a figure not including time spent in between paint drying)

Draigo is a tricky one to figure out as the figure has a lot of detail and I imagine he would take me upwards of 4-5 hours.

The Dreadknight I'm unable to figure out as I've never actually painted one before. I would say he would probably take me about the same ammount of time as Draigo.

Also note, that the cost of my materials (Glue, spraygun, paints, brushes (they do get worn down)) are included in the price.

We can talk tomorrow and try to come to an arrangement. I'm pretty busy with school, but I don't mind doing this for the extra cash as I can likely tackle it on a weekend.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:42 am
by IdentifyZero

We could potentially work something out, it would be best if we spoke on the phone to make arrangements though.

Any chance I can get your number?
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:39 am
by IdentifyZero

If you're still up I Sent links.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:31 am
by IdentifyZero

Let me finish uploading the pictures and you tell me what you think of what I have done so far. Also be sure to look at my purifiers to insure that the standard of painting is what you would want.

That would be to finish the 9 Paladins/Librarian. (One of whom I forgot to include in the picture, the apothecary)

Draigo/Stern = Unpainted
Dreadknight = Primed Black, assembled with blue-tac.

Also noting, I am not sure how interested I am in the tanks,just because I am going to be doing Airborne guard and looking at the Elysian list, they aren't allowed to take tanks. For running as normal IG I might be, I'll have to think about it. I have a habit of trading for a lot of things I don't need... I would honestly prefer to trade the tanks for the castle though, as I need to make some cash from the GKs to fund my guard. ^.^

If you did buy the GKs, I'd also throw in a bunch of extra bitz (Including 2x Banners) and a few power armor guys. Unfortunately, I don't have the codex, it's up for sale with my other army. The images are almost uploaded to dakka.
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:14 am
by IdentifyZero

$200 was what I was going to list on ebay with them re-assembled.

Out of the group the 9 Paladins/Librarian just needed the wash and touch up. If you check out the purifiers in my auction, they would be painted to that same standard if I finished painting them. Unfortunately, I just don't have time to do that for any ammount of cash someone would pay me lol, I'd estimate it's about 3 hours of work for me so I'd want close to $50 dollars to do the rest of the painting. Honestly though, unless they are being displayed most people would have a hard time realizing they are unfinished in a table-top environment.

What was your email, I can lay the mout as they are currently and send you a few pictures, likely I'll upload to Dakka and then send you a link.

Also, did you still want the castle, if we were going to be doing this deal, assuming we do?
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:06 am
by IdentifyZero

I can take pictures of them, but as noted, they are presently in partial pieces as I was originally going to magnetize them. I was intending to list them on Ebay for $200 after I had re-attached all arms.

These figures are 80% painted except for the heads in a few cases, but mostly just need to be glued on. They just need a wash to be finished painting.

The question is, what state were you interested in them in? In the current state I can take a photo or I can re-assemble them and take a picture, but after I've completed fixing them I'd want a bit more then I had listed in the ad. (Planned to list on Ebay for $200).
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:56 pm
by IdentifyZero

I would be interested in trading the Warhammer Fantasy Castle for them if you like, it's completely unpainted and has never even been basecoated.

The Grey Knights I am also selling an army on ebay if you are interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160677934849?ss ... 1555.l2649

As for the Draigowing force I have there, I would prefer to sell it but if you want to trade those models + some cash make an offer. Ultimately, I'd rather trade for the castle and sell you the GKs with a little discount.

Where are you located?
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:51 pm
by IdentifyZero

What condition is this stuff in by the way? New? Assembled? Painted?
Re: have imperial guard
Sent: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:47 pm
by IdentifyZero

I'm more looking for FW guys and flyers, but were you interested in trading them for something I had?

Hi, I'm sorry you seem to be in a bad situation, but I have some questions. First, did this deal actually originate on Bartertown? Next, where are the rest of the PMs and/or emails? At least at the beginning of your message string it looks like IdentifyZero, (no relation,) is having a conversation with himself. At best this message string is barely readable. I mean, it looks like you tried to commission him and/or trade with him to finish painting the models you were originally going to buy, but why are you just telling him on December 23rd how you need the models equipped? Wouldn't that have been conveyed much earlier in the dealing stages? Especially since you appear to have paid him on or before November 9th? (As that's the day he asks for an email address so he can send you a receipt.) Also, it looks like the haggling portion of this trade carried on for a looooong time. Do you have proof that the deal was sealed? I can't seem to find anything where the full details were spelled out. The closest is the message from him on November 9th, but I don't see any confirmation back from you OR a message from you indicating that the message from him IS the point where the deal was sealed. I take it you agreed to pay for the painting up front, but not the models? Where was that agreed to? Am I missing it?

I'm sorry, but this string is REALLY difficult to make heads or tails of. We can usually help to a greater or lesser degree, but if we can't read the message string there's not much we can do. Also, I edited out phone numbers. Mailing addresses are OK, but phone numbers are a little too personal.

Yeah I have no idea why my messages aren't saved my sent folder is full and maybe bartertown threw it out? I copied and pasted what I have. The reason I asked him at such a later date is because he explained to me via text that he had no even started the painting by that date. First reason was he was having trouble getting paint supplies, then he had exams, then he texted in January me saying he was going through a divorce which made my sympathetic to his situation.

I got this e-mail on Feb 7

Hey Jordan,

I apologise, I still have not been able to recover my bartertown account and I was hoping you would have emailed me what you sent to me on there. If you tried to call me, I hope when my ex answered she let you know she got me taken off my own cell account and took my number. Rogers is idiotic.

Anyways man, please just send me the message you sent me on btown when you get a chance. I was going to register a new account but, that doesn't help me either way.

Have a nice night


This refers to his btown account being "hacked" that he can't get on anymore

I know this is confusing and I had feeling it would be BUT I have a receipt made by him on November 9th for the painting. Which I can Forward to any of the people that can help me. I would attach it but apparently I can't upload doc files.

That is the real issue is that he took $100 dollars from me and this shows he took $100 from me and never delivered his goods/services. but here's a quick copy n paste of it.

This is everything I have to show proof. Some e-mails are deleted and I obviously don't save texts. I really am not a stickler for that stuff and didn't think I would need to use it to prove anything. But any question for clarity would be appreciated because I am sometimes not the best at explaining

William Mohammed
RR#1 22 Sideroad 6259
Acton, Ontario, Canada
L7J 2L7
(905) xxx - xxxx ( I edited out the number)

November, 09, 2011

Receipt for commission work done for Jordan Adam. Work is not yet completed.

Commission Painting Cost
Kaldor Draigo $ 50.00
Includes basing
Dreadknight $ 50.00
Includes basing
TOTAL $ 100.00
Paid 11/09/11 $ (100.00)
Balance $ -


Regards,


William Mohammed

Sorry for the double post Internet is acting up

I really hope this whole situation is a misunderstanding and one of those weird comical coincidence.

Ok, well, now that you've posted one email, do you have others? If you have email communications those should also be posted. And I'm still waiting for my first question to get an answer; was this trade started on Bartertown? It seems you were also going through Dakka at some point?

In the first post, he said that he EVENTUALLY joined Dakka to find him. I guess this is not a specific statement, but I took it to mean he joined Dakka after there were problems.

Allow me to ascend my soap box for a moment to make a point I've made before:
These are the exact kind of situations that cause us to ONLY ever suggest that you hire painters through Bartertown who are advertisers. These are people who have gained our trust through their proven history of positive dealings.

[/soapbox]

Eric

It originated on Bartertown. I joined Dakka two days ago to track him down after hearing from some people he is on dakka dakka as well. I don't have any other e-mails I didn't think of keeping them. The situation just sucks best case scenario this gets his attention and I get my money back and worst case this at least warns other traders about him.

I'm really sorry that you're in this situation. I've been there, and it sucks.
That said, please understand that this complaint might be removed.

One of the posting requirements is that you provide the COMPLETE communication history between you and your trade partner. You haven't done that.
Another posting requirement is that you post your complaint within 30 days of your last communication with the your trade partner. You haven't done that, either.

That said, staff has the right to give passes for certain issues. If an Admin looks at this and decides you've met the burden of proof, and it's bad enough of a situation, he may decide to let it stand.

Eric

Ya fair enough. I posted everything I had. I was just wanting some help with the situation and see if any of you out there could help me.

At this point I find myself agreeing with MM. Not because you're past the expiration date, but because you don't have the communications outlining the exact specifics of the deal with agreement by both parties that those were the terms of the deal. I feel for you being in a bad situation, but I don't think you've met the burden of proof.

I'll leave this up for 24 hours for other admin/mods to chime in if they feel differently, but after that I'll remove the post.

IT just sucks because I'm pretty sure it didn't save my responses because my outbox is too full and the majority is via texts. I have a receipt....for the painting?

"per Admin request"

screen shot; Receipt of payment sent to identifyzero

UPDATE

Well after not hearing from Identifyzero for 3 months and receiving 0 replies from him from e-mail, text, bartertown, dakka dakka (Yes I randomly signed up for dakka dakka just to send his account there to send him a message)


I decided to accept that he took my $100. I left him a bad trader reference just in case so that nobody else can be a victim of what he did just in case he resurfaced.

And then BAM

He pops in online and LEAVES ME A BAD REFERENCE! He didn't message me about resolving this... oh no. He just puts a bad reference on me and disappears back into the night.

Obviously I would like this bad reference removed because I didn't do anything... since when can you steal from someone and then blame him. He claims in my bad reference "This user and I never finalized any agreements and he is claiming I owe him money, Watch out bad trader!". Clearly this is just a retaliation and why on earth would I randomly send via paypal to his e-mail which I show above $100 if nothing was agreed upon?? I am doing okay for money but I don't just start tossing out $100 to random people on B-town (sorry to let you guys down lol).

This is just ridiculous.

Let me know what you guys think

Thanks
Jordan

No luck on the PayPal dispute?

Nope Paypal dispute is pretty hard to do especially when you send it as "gift" to try to prevent him from him paying paypal fees. It's also been way too long to do a dispute, I let him delay past 30 days so it doesn't even show up as a possibility to dispute (This started in November) on my paypal account.

I am now just more irritated that I have a bad reference lol