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Soukin wrote:Hello

If you are willing to split up the o&g lot, I'd be interested in the following:

60orcs + 30 extra orcs you mention you have parts for
6 goblin fanatics
1 rock lobba
1 spear chukka

Let me know how much $$$ you'd be willing to let this go for with shipping to [omitted] ([omitted] somewhat close to ya!)

Subject: h: ig, csm, o&g, misc, codices w:sm, beastmen

chadbacca wrote:okay, i have a lot of stuff here for sale... prefer that if i'm going to break it up that it's in larger lots though. obviously there is a larger discount the more you buy. also, unless noted, the item is assembled and primed/bare. lastly, i have a few things i'm willing to take in trade, but not much. i'm mainly looking to thin down my collection & make some money in the process. thanks for looking!

IG

cadian
cadian command squad
3x mortar teams
3x metal cadian infantry
1x metal cadian w/ plasma gun
1x metal cadian w/ melta gun
1x metal cadian w/ missile launcher
1x metal cadian w/ flamer

$35 shipped. i'll also toss in whatever spare cadian bits & stuff i have (should be enough to make at least half an infantry squad + spare bits)

catachan
col "ironhand" straken (previous edition- painted)
catachan command squad
3x catachan infantry squad (2x guardsmen painted)
3x metal catachan infantry
6x metal catachan's w/ heavy flamers
1x metal catachan demo expert
1x metal catachan w/ missile launcher
1x metal catachan w/ plasma gun

$80 shipped. you will also get about 30-40 more catachan infantry i have that were sitting in simple green and need a good scrubbing, plus all the catachan bits that i have.

tanks & misc
commissar w/plasma pistol & axe (painted) $9
3x steel legionnaires w/ grenade launchers $7
5x ratlings (previous edition) $10
3x leman russ battle tanks (1x painted) $65
basilisk (painted) $25

all of the above prices include shipping.

CSM
abaddon
sorcerer $10
10x terminators $65
5x possessed $15
26x 1k sons (3x aspiring champions) $75 pending
1x obliterator $13
1x brass scorpion (made from both the defiler AND soul grinder kits) $45
csm codex

all the above individual prices include shipping... or you could buy the whole lot for $130 shipped

ORCS & GOBBO'S
60 orcs
-30 w/hand weapons & shields (12 painted)
-30 w/2 hand weapons (12 partially painted)
40 night goblins w/bows (20 bfsp, 20 non-bfsp- 1 painted)
40 night goblins w/spears & shields (bfsp)
20 forest goblin spider riders (10 bfsp, 10 non- 1 spider painted)
6 goblin fanatics (3 new in box)
1 goblin big boss (bfsp- painted)
1 goblin shaman
1 orc warboss on boar
1 orc warboss on foot
1 orc boss w/battle standard on foot
2 snotling pump wagons (bare metal, unassembled- 1 new, 1 previous edition)
1 rock lobba
1 spear chukka (bare metal, unassembled)
1 O&G army book

$200 for the lot. i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs, the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff, all the battalion box bits, POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP, about 3 black orcs, 12 previous edition arrer boys & a metric ton of more bits. i'll throw that all in there too.

MISC
9x bloodletters $10
lord of khorne on daemonic mount $15
2x metal apothecaries $7
3x metal scouts for bikes $7

CODICES & ARMY BOOKS
CSM $15
IG (current & previous) $15 or $20 for both
necrons $12
ogre kingdoms $12

WANTS
i want vanilla marine stuff and new beastmen. if it's metal, any condition is fine. if it's plastic i would like new or off the sprue. obviously if it's new i would trade in your favor as opposed to retail for retail.


terminators
rhino's
5x sternguard veterans
assault marines
land speeders
any crimson fist iconography is welcome too.
any of the new beastmen models & army book

chadbacca wrote:if i have to break it up, it's not gonna' be nearly as good of a deal unfortunately, $140 shipped.

Soukin wrote:ok ok I see....

Alright. Would you do $180 for the whole shebang?

chadbacca wrote:yeah that's fine. here's my paypal address

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if you can send it today i can ship it off as soon as the money transfers from PP into my bank account (usually takes 2-3 days, i would ship asap, but being that school just started and i had to buy a lot of books, i'm more or less counting on the money i'm receiving to ship). i will for sure get you a DC though. also, what is your address?

Soukin wrote:I'll send payment over soon. One quick question. Are the boyz current edition boyz or the single pose old ones?

Please ship to:

[omitted]
[omitted]
[omitted]

chadbacca wrote:i think there's like, 5 single pose models. no more than 5 though. the arrer boys are single pose but... i dunno, if you've got 40 something nightgoblins with bows & arrows you're not going to really use the arrers anyways. i was going to just add little things to them to make 'em look all diff't from each other and use them in mordheim.

Soukin wrote:Sounds good. Thanks

Soukin wrote:Hello. Any updates on if this stuff has been shipped yet? Would be awesome to get it before the weekend because I got a bigass multiplayer game to attend. LMK thanks

chadbacca wrote:hey dude. i have to apologize, it has not been shipped yet. there's been an unfortunate incident within the family and we ended up going out of town. i'll be back on thursday, but it won't be until later in the evening i'm sure. i'll have your pkg out no later than friday the 3rd of september, with a delivery confirmation number for you. again, i apologize. especially since you won't get to attend to the tourney with said army. i hope you can understand, thanks for your patience

-chad

Soukin wrote:Hi Chad

Did you get a DC number by any chance?

Soukin wrote:Hi Chad

I'm going to assume you have not had a chance to ship yet since if the package was out Friday or even Saturday I would have received it yesterday even with the slowest shipping. Please do not send these items anymore, I will be requesting a refund. Thanks.

chadbacca wrote:the pkg went out today, i have a DC in my car, i'm at work so i will get it later for you. Things had just gotten busy here, there's a family, school and work outside of the hobby. I tried to be as communicative as possible. Please accept my apology, the items are on their way. I will send you another message tonight with a confirmation number tonight. The items were shipped priority.

Soukin wrote:Dude I said do not send these items anymore. I was pretty clear.

chadbacca wrote:Yeah. I didn't get that msg uuntil after I had shipped them. Let me art lleast refund you for the cost of shopping, since it took me so long.

chadbacca wrote:DC# 0303 3430 0001 3678 3664

Soukin wrote:I got the package today and have spoken to mods about how to proceed with this. I really wanted to just send the package back, but as they suggested I try to work things out first that is what I'm going to do. I went through the entire package to count everything and to make sure things were there. Almost everything is there and I am not counting the "possibly" stuff since that could mean its included or its not. That is all fine. However, after going through the bits and the orc boys I found there is no where near enough bits to "make about 30 more orcs". I decided to take you up on your offer to refund me shipping costs, but I will also have to request a partial refund for the orc boys that are not there. A box of new orc boys is $35, but obviously 20% off is easy to find. I am proposing a partial refund of $35, this is for the boys and the shipping combined. If you do not agree with this I would not mind shipping your items back to you (I'll pick up the return costs) and requesting a full refund.

Please let me know if we can work something out. Thanks

chadbacca wrote:ummm... no. see, when i priced the army, it was over $400. that was NOT including all the stuff in that last paragraph that i was just throwing in because i wouldn't need/want it anymore- it said in the paragraph that those items were all extra. the money that you gave me was for the items that i had created a list for- all of which was there. everything else was free. as i said, i have no problem giving you the $8.90 that i spent on shipping the items to you, considering i blundered on that. what i'm not going to do is give you money because you are not satisfied with items which were given to you as extra's, sorry- you already got more than 50% off the army to begin with, and that's including shipping. as for a refund, it's out of the question. a deal was made. you gave me money and i sent you items. YES, it did take me longer than expected to ship, i believe i apologized enough for that already. life happens to all of us and hopefully it doesn't happen to me again, or you for that matter. but at no time was I ever NOT communicating with you. besides, the items still came in a somewhat reasonable time (13 days). if you don't want to leave me good feedback, that's up to you. at the time we made the deal, i had about 7 other sales going on at the same time. they all had to wait just like you did- and i was communicating with them all, but you seem to be the only one who was truly upset about the situation. I apologized and i am offering to compensate you for the amount of money that i paid for shipping. that's as far as it's going though. sorry that it had to be such a rough trade [omitted].

-chad

Soukin wrote:I think you are misunderstanding me. I asked you not to ship these items, you shipped them anyways. All of the evidence shows you shipped after you read my request not to ship the items, USPS does use timestamps afterall. We shouldn't be having this conversation. Moderators ask me to work things out so that's what I'm trying to do man.

As to your comment about "free extra stuff." If this applied to the 30 orcs that could be built, then why would you quote me a price for my first request which was 60 orcs + bits to make 30 more orcs? I guess if I had purchased that I would be getting some different?

Sent: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:56 pm

chadbacca wrote:
the pkg went out today, i have a DC in my car, i'm at work so i will get it later for you. Things had just gotten busy here, there's a family, school and work outside of the hobby. I tried to be as communicative as possible. Please accept my apology, the items are on their way. I will send you another message tonight with a confirmation number tonight. The items were shipped priority.

chadbacca wrote: ORCS & GOBBO'S
60 orcs
-30 w/hand weapons & shields (12 painted)
-30 w/2 hand weapons (12 partially painted)
40 night goblins w/bows (20 bfsp, 20 non-bfsp- 1 painted)
40 night goblins w/spears & shields (bfsp)
20 forest goblin spider riders (10 bfsp, 10 non- 1 spider painted)
6 goblin fanatics (3 new in box)
1 goblin big boss (bfsp- painted)
1 goblin shaman
1 orc warboss on boar
1 orc warboss on foot
1 orc boss w/battle standard on foot
2 snotling pump wagons (bare metal, unassembled- 1 new, 1 previous edition)
1 rock lobba
1 spear chukka (bare metal, unassembled)
1 O&G army book

$200 for the lot. i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs, the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff, all the battalion box bits, POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP, about 3 black orcs, 12 previous edition arrer boys & a metric ton of more bits. i'll throw that all in there too.

soulkin wrote:If you are willing to split up the o&g lot, I'd be interested in the following:

60orcs + 30 extra orcs you mention you have parts for
6 goblin fanatics
1 rock lobba
1 spear chukka

Let me know how much $$$ you'd be willing to let this go for with shipping to [omitted] ([omitted] somewhat close to ya!)

i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs, the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff, all the battalion box bits, POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP, about 3 black orcs, 12 previous edition arrer boys & a metric ton of more bits. i'll throw that all in there too.

i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs,
-the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff,
-all the battalion box bits,
-POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP,
-about 3 black orcs,
-12 previous edition arrer boys
-& a metric ton of more bits.
i'll throw that all in there too.

Now, IMO, issue 1 is not complex. There are a handful of tiny issues:

1.a. The buyer stated that he wished to cancel the deal to due shipping delays.
1.b. The shipper sent the package, possibly before, likely after being told not to send it.

Now, if the buyer really no longer desired the items, he could have fairly refused the package, or returned it unopened. This didn't happen. Opening the package is an admission of a desire to continue the deal, probably in part reinforced by the seller's willing acceptance of fault and offer to refund the shipping cost.

Consequently, IMO, any issues arising from the shipping time/etc are irrelevant.

I think the seller clearly stated that the lot that was for sale was itemized and priced at $200--everything else was free/thrown in. The buyer got the itemized list for his $180.

Just to be clear--in all of the bitz you received, including Orcs of any type, how many can you build?

$200 for the lot. i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs, the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff, all the battalion box bits, POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP, about 3 black orcs, 12 previous edition arrer boys & a metric ton of more bits. i'll throw that all in there too.

i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs,
-the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff,
-all the battalion box bits,
-POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP,
-about 3 black orcs,
-12 previous edition arrer boys
-& a metric ton of more bits.
i'll throw that all in there too.

MagickalMemories wrote: I'm in partial agreement.
I agree, re: opening the package. Of course, if the guy isn't going to return your money, you might as well open the package. You know?

MagickalMemories wrote: I do think that the issues arising from the shipping time/etc are relevant, though, because he obviously lied about when he shipped it (which shows that he KNEW 1a, but shipped anyway).

MagickalMemories wrote: Re:

I think the seller clearly stated that the lot that was for sale was itemized and priced at $200--everything else was free/thrown in. The buyer got the itemized list for his $180.

I don't agree with this p.o.v.
While he did say he was "throwing it in," he didn't indicate that it was extras or "freebies." it seems clear to me that the "throw in" was meant to add value to the trade, so that it was worth his requested price to any prospective buyers. The terminology "throw[ing] in" can be used in a few different ways. One of them would be to establish what you're throwing in for $X.
Had he indicated that they were freebies, my opinion would change.

$200 for the lot. i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs, the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff, all the battalion box bits, POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP, about 3 black orcs, 12 previous edition arrer boys & a metric ton of more bits. i'll throw that all in there too.

Ironhide wrote:

i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs,
-the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff,
-all the battalion box bits,
-POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP,
-about 3 black orcs,
-12 previous edition arrer boys
-& a metric ton of more bits.
i'll throw that all in there too.

That is not how the sentence is written. If you want to break it into a list of items going by the grammar and punctuation of the sentence, it would be:
-bits to make about 30 more orcs
-the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff
-POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP
-about 3 black orcs
-12 previous edition arrer boys
-a metric ton of more bits

Ironhide wrote:

$200 for the lot. i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs, the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff, all the battalion box bits, POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP, about 3 black orcs, 12 previous edition arrer boys & a metric ton of more bits. i'll throw that all in there too.

From his ad. Underlined for emphasis. It does not say it is extra. It is part of the whole lot. That is my understanding.

EDIT:

i also have enough bits to make about 30 more orcs,
-the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff,
-all the battalion box bits,
-POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP,
-about 3 black orcs,
-12 previous edition arrer boys
-& a metric ton of more bits.
i'll throw that all in there too.

That is not how the sentence is written. If you want to break it into a list of items going by the grammar and punctuation of the sentence, it would be:
-bits to make about 30 more orcs
-the rest of the BFSP O&G stuff
-POSSIBLY 10 more spider riders from BFSP
-about 3 black orcs
-12 previous edition arrer boys
-a metric ton of more bits

After that, he says he will throw all of that in. He doesn't say it is extra. It is part of the lot.

reegsk wrote:The arrer boys, however, are not bits. They are single-piece, single-pose models.

s_o_r_r_o_w wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote: I'm in partial agreement.
I agree, re: opening the package. Of course, if the guy isn't going to return your money, you might as well open the package. You know?

I don't see anything in the correspondence to indicate that this was a concern at this point. The buyer waited to receive (and open) the package before communicating with the seller.

If it were me, I would for sure have opened it. But I'm a curious bastard.

s_o_r_r_o_w wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote: I do think that the issues arising from the shipping time/etc are relevant, though, because he obviously lied about when he shipped it (which shows that he KNEW 1a, but shipped anyway).

I think it suggests that he shipped it knowingly. I've never shipped anything IN the US. Does the clerk scan everything the second you hand it over? I'd like to see the seller's scanned receipt, if they want to argue that they didn't know.

However, I think that all this discussion is divergent, because had there been the bits for 30 plastic orcs in there, I don't think we'd be looking at a BTR right now.

s_o_r_r_o_w wrote:We could also flagellate the seller for not including the require "metric ton" of bits....

MagickalMemories wrote: I don't understand, though. When you say, "The buyer waited to receive (and open) the package before communicating with the seller."
Communicate about what?
I mean, before the guy sent it, he said "Don't send it. I want my money back." So, he did communicate *that* to him.
What communication/lack of it are you referring to?