BTR (Armada again)

[Muhahapu]

On Thursday September the 30th, I received contact from a user, "Armada" in regards to some Warhammer fantasy wood elves that he possessed and how he wished to to trade them for Warhammer 40k Orks, Vostroyans, and rulebooks that I had possessed. On Wednesday October the 6th 2010, I sent the package using Canada Post and Armada received the package on Thursday October 14, 2010. From that point onwards, Armada provided excuses for not sending the goods,and from the point of Saturday, November 20th, 2010, Armada has ignored my replies and has not sent the goods till' this day.

Here is the PM exchange:

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:58 pm
From: Armada
To: Muhahapu

Subject: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap

Muhahapu wrote:
Hi,

I am looking into starting warhammer fantasy and have some vostroyans that I don't need.
I have

1 command squad box

1 troop squad

1 platoon box (essentially two troop squads and platoon command, can be combined with the troop squad to make a full platoon of three squads. Also comes with three casualty models that can be used as objectives and are not available from GW anymore.)

one blister of special weapons

one imperial guard codex (current)

one leman Russ battle tank

I value this lot at $350 worth of miniatures and would trade for any fantasy army of equivalent worth, but would particularily want daemons of chaos, unpainted models, or metal models

hey man i have a large wood elf army if interested. about 5,000 points worth heres what i have
painted to real hig quality with magnet bases. this alone comes to 2,000 points
1 drycha branchwraith
2 glamorweave mages mounted
32 dryads
5 glade riders
2 treemen

bare/primed
1 lord with great weapon
1 waywatcher lord
12 waywatchers
4 highborn mounted
4mounted mages
8 mages on foot
34 glade guard
5 glade riders
24 wardancers
2wild riders
and the army book. i already have them packed and good to go cuz another trader backed out of the trade. id be willing to send all your way, but would you happen to have anymore ig stuff to kind of make more even on my end? lmk im not using this army and would like to give it a good home. thanks, hope we can make a deal

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:38 am
by Muhahapu

Sorry, but I don't have more IG stuff and don't have cash.

Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:14 pm
by Armada

hey man,
would you be able to throw in a little something to make up a little difference? is the blister only one heavy weapon? i would love to start the vostroyans. do you have something else thats 40k or any 40k books? lmk if you do, but chancces are i can come up with an offer. thanks man

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:30 pm
by Muhahapu

Hey,
I do have a lot of other things, but I would like to point two things out.
- the value has been pointed out to be 270 dollars, not 350. Sorry about that
-the blister I mentioned was the special weapons blister with one flamer and one grenade launcher

I have the following
aobr orks, stormboys and codex
a large group of chaos space marines and codex(current and last edition)
chaos daemons (1 bloodthirster, eight bloodletters, and 5 flesh hounds. All last edition metal)
codex necrons
codex eye of terror

Let me know your thoughts and we might be able to work out a deal

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:20 pm
by Armada

ok no worries.
ok tell you what... you throw in the orcs, thier codex, and the eye of terror book, or lmk what you have for csm, and ill send you all the wood elves. i just really dont like looking at them collecting dust. lmk what you think. thanks man

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:21 pm
by Muhahapu

I'm fine with that deal, but would like to clarify things:
were you asking for either orks and the books, or all of the chaos alongside the orks and the books? I didn't really understand what you wanted.
I also want to clarify that all of the orks are painted, and that the vostroyans are either stripped or primed white and have one coat of red.

*edit*

I added some photos of the orks and books, could you give me photos of the elves that you took before packing? I will throw in a Zzap gun, and a big mek with KFF generator (missing head) because you are such a nice guy
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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:06 am
by Armada

hey man,
i meant just the orcs, codex, eye of terror book, vostoryans, and ig codex, and ill send you everything wood elf i got. unfortunatly i dont have anymore pics of the guys, but i promise you that they are very well painted. an 8 out of 10 easy. i worked very hard on them. if your still down to trade lmk and we can exchange addresses and get this going. lmk adn thanks again

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:08 am
by Muhahapu

Hey,
My address is
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Postal code: *NOT ENCLOSED*
City: *NOT ENCLOSED*
Province: *NOT ENCLOSED*
Country: *NOT ENCLOSED*

I also want to know what kind of shipping rates you will be paying so that I can do the same.
This is my first time trading to America so can you give me a rough estimate on how much it might cost?
Thanks!

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:20 pm
by Armada

hello sir,
i have actually never sent to canada lol. a first for both of us. just a quick ques. what exactly did you have for the orcs? what exactly did you have for chaos? or are willing to get rid of both? i know i know a long shot but i thought id give it a shot if you werent using them lol. anywho, the way i usually trade here (and is considered common practice on here) is that lower rating sends/pays first.
my adress if your still ok with sending first
Zamir picado
13866 langley pl
davie fl 33325
and to answer your ques, i have the army already packed in a regular box, but if you can get all the stuff in a usps priority flat rate box, those are the cheepest. again lmk what you have for the orcs and chaos or since i have no 40k at all and want as much 40k as possible, if you really dont want them and want to send them my way lol (longshot) lmk what you think and what you have.
thanks again my friend.
hope we can get this going

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:48 pm
by Muhahapu

Heyo,
I just went out to buy a box from the post office.
I don't think I will send both because the shipping would be alot.
I will be sending the models soon, hopefully today.
I will be replying after I send the models or when you ask me something.
Talk to you soon

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:57 pm
by Armada

Hey
that's cool so I'll be getting all the if and the irks and thhe eye of terror book aswell as the ork and ig codex? If so we have a deal my friend an thanks

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Re: H: Vostroyans W: Fantasy Army swap
Sent: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:08 pm
by Muhahapu

Heyo!
I just sent the parcel using expedited pricing. The package will probably arrive in 4 business days, which is around Tuesday if American Thanksgiving is different from Canadian Thanksgiving.
Please message me when the package arrives, or you have any questions.
Talk to you soon.

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our trade
Sent: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:15 pm
by Armada

hey man,
sounds good my friend. just to clarify, you sent the vostryans, ig codex, the orks, ork codex, and eye of terror book? in return i will send all the wood elves i listed and the codex. correct? and thanks for being quick, hard to find on here lol. lmk

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Re: our trade
Sent: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:54 pm
by Muhahapu

yep:
vostroyans
orks
imp guard book
ork book
eye of terror book
all packed in a box
hopefully You recieve your package soon, I wanna try out 8th ed fantasy.
contact me if you need to.

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No reply?
Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:09 pm
by Muhahapu

Dear Armada.
I see that you have recieved the package, an my earlier message,, but you haven't replied to me since. Is there a problem? I would like a response from you just for reassurance, and an estimate on when you can go to the post office.
Thanks

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:32 pm
by Armada

hey man sorry about that. no problem. everything is good. i can ship out on tuesday if thats cool. im going to be pretty busy with work and will have that day off. thanks again my friend

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:26 pm
by Muhahapu

No problem.
Sorry for doubting you, this being my first trade and all, the panic kinda kicked in.
Nice to know that everything is alright.
I'll message you later.

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:29 pm
by Armada

no worries my friend. i know what you mean.

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:16 pm
by Muhahapu

Hey,
Did you send the package yet?

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:43 pm
by Armada

hello sir,
i sent yesterday and should arrive next week. lmk when you get it and we can leave feed back for each other. thanks again

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:24 pm
by Armada

hey man,
have you gotten the package yet. thanks

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:38 pm
by Muhahapu

Hey,
I haven't recieved the package yet. It will probably come Monday because of a delay.
We can only wait and see, unless you have a tracking number.
Just curious, what service did you use for shipping? This can help me find out whether it will be delivered to me, or if it will be in my mailbox for me to check.
Thanks,

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:37 pm
by Armada

hey man, i used ups. did you get it today?

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Re: No reply?
Sent: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:09 pm
by Muhahapu

No, it hasn't arrived yet. By any chance do you have a tracking number on your reciept?
It would make things easier if you gave me it.
Thanks.

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Proper adressee
Sent: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:39 pm
by Muhahapu

Hey there,

I just realized that I forgot to give you my name and so you may have had trouble shipping the package. Here is my full address so that you can send the package

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the first line is my name, second line is street name, third line is city and province respectively, and the last line is my postal code.

Thanks, I will talk to you later.

P.S. Could you give me a tracking number when you send the package, I would like to be aware of the situation as it progresses.

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:47 pm
by Armada

Yep, i actually got the package back at my door yesturday. Ill send again. Sorry man

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:10 pm
by Armada

hey man get paid friday and ill send you the dc # when its off. thanks for hangin in there with me

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:27 pm
by Muhahapu

Hey,
have you sent the package yet?
When you mean DC#, you mean the tracking number right?
If you are using UPS, and not USPS, then you might need my phone number
it's *NOT ENCLOSED*
hopefully you can send the models soon.
I await you reply,

Anho Lee

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:38 pm
by Armada

hey man,
sorry about not being on to inform you but work has been too crazy. for bearing with me im adding 4 very well painted models i used for treekin. they are large tree models and i was going to keep them cuz of the paint job,but i figure you deserve a little something extra for being so cool with my situation and hangin in there

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:24 pm
by Muhahapu

Hey,
I thankful that you are adding things in to the deal, but could you answer the questions that I asked, it won't take too long and you won't believe how much it would help me out.
Thanks.

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:22 pm
by Armada

hey man,
sorry bout that. i havent sent yet as i have been at work nonstop. havent had a day off since a week and a half ago. dc i mean confermation. i do plan on sending usps so no problem there.

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:07 pm
by Muhahapu

Ok, thanks. I will be looking forward to your next response.

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Re: Proper adressee
Sent: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:56 pm
by Muhahapu

Hey there,
you have to send the package this weekend, christmas is coming up and mailing things will get crazy, and it will take extra time.
Please send it this weekend, as you could not possibly be too busy to spare an hour.
Thanks.

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*End of Messaging*

I Live in Canada and Zamir Picado lives in America, so resolving this may not be easy.
Fortunately I am collaborating with another user by the name of "Exigent99" and together we will hopefully be able to resolve this problem.
viewtopic.php?f=103&t=126591

[exigent99]

It struck me through reading this report that it was very similar to what happened to me, even down to the information he was giving you, and the things he was saying. Nothing really helpful about that, just an observation.

I'll stay in contact with you, hopefully we can get a conclusion to this.

Oh, and to the other BT member who was ripped off by Armada, I would urge you to file a BTR as well, if you have the time.