Bad Trader: scionofjustice AKA Shelly Varnedoe / Kyle Stout

[Timbor]

I wish I didn't have to report this, but I think that it is best to do so. In late april, I agreed to pay scionofjustice for him to send me 93 metal O&G snotlings in the mail. I sent the money by paypal on April 27. He contacted me on May 11 saying he had shipped it a while back, and had been very busy. I PM'd him a week ago (June 1) asking where the package was. He was shipping to me in Canada, and I had asked for shipping via USPS (cheaper, non-ridiculous brokerage fees). The package finally arrived last Friday (June 4), but had been sent by UPS and I was billed a relatively large brokerage fee. The UPS tracking said the item was accepted at their office on May 28 (1 month after sending payment and about 2 weeks after he messaged me saying he had shipped). In the package were 82 (not 93) snotlings.

So, from my experience, I did receive an item, though not as was described, shipped slowly, and shipped via the wrong courier. I sent another PM today to see if he is willing to make this right. If I do not hear back soon, I will post a full detailed BTR - I just don't want to give bad feedback until I have given him a chance to make things right. I have a name and return address on the parcel - if it is deemed proper for me to provide it, I can do that if it helps you out.

Here are our communications:

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:04 pm
by Timbor

Hi there,

I am interested in some of your snotlings. Not sure how much you would value all 93 of them? If the price was right I would be interested in all of them, but otherwise maybe half of them. Are they all unpainted? Where are you located, will you ship to Canada?

Thanks,

Tim

Subject: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

HAVE:

Daemonhunters

31 - Power Armored Grey Knights
- 2 Incinerators (1 painted)
- 5 Psycannons (3 painted)
- 4 Justicars (2 painted, sword and stormbolter)
- 20 Knights (13 painted)
1 - Dreadnought (painted)
6 - Grey Knight Terminators (1 painted)
1 - Land Raider
1 - Brother Captain Stern

Dwarfs 95% of all models are either primed or unpainted

2 - Dwarf Army Books
60 - BFSP Dwarf Warriors (axe and shield)
- 5 Champions
- 6 Musicians
- 5 Standard Bearers
14 - Dwarf Warriors (2 handed axe)
- 2 Champions
- 1 Musician
- 1 Standard Bearer
50 - BFSP Miners
- 6 Champions
- 5 Musicians
- 6 Standard Bearers
48 - BFSPThunderers
- 5 Champions
- 4 Musicians
- 4 Standard Bearers
4 - BFSP Thanes
3 - Slayers (2 BFSP, 1 Metal)
4 - Rune Priests (old, metal)
1 - Hero with Thunderer (metal)
1 - Ungrim Ironfist
1 - Helgar
1 - Gyrocopter
4 - Cannons and Crew (1 converted to look like Chaos Dwarfs)
1 - Flame Cannon and Crew
1 - Anvil of Doom

Orcs and Goblins

93 - Snotlings (metal)

High Elves

6 - Repeater Bolt Throwers (no crew, old)

Daemons

20 - Daemonettes of Slaanesh

WANT:

Daemons

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch
Plaguebearers of Nurgle
The Masque
Flesh Hounds of Khorne
Bloodletters of Khorne
Skulltaker

Imperial Guard

Chimeras
Leman Russes
Hellhounds

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:19 am
by scionofjustice

They are all unpainted, bare metal. I am located in the US, Florida to be specific, and will gladly ship to Canada. All snotlings are worth over a hundred bucks, so I would sell them for $55 shipped.

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:33 pm
by Timbor

Hi thanks for getting back to me. Would you be willing to sell 45 of them for $25 shipped?

Thanks!

Tim

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:47 pm
by Timbor

Hi there,

I never heard back from you - are you interested in splitting the snotlings in half and selling 45 of them?

Thanks!

Tim

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:25 pm
by scionofjustice

Sorry about that! Everyone under the sun ended up having a birthday this weekend so I got rather busy. I would like to get rid of all of them honestly, the little buggers are taking up space. How about all of them for $45 shipped?

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:13 pm
by Timbor

No worries, life gets pretty busy at times! Would you be willing to sell the lot for $40 shipped?

Thanks!

Tim

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:00 pm
by scionofjustice

Sounds good to me! My paypal is adhesivespatula@gmail.com or you can send me a check or money order if you prefer.

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:19 pm
by Timbor

Excellent! I just sent the money via paypal. My shipping address is

Tim Richards
*********************
******************** Canada
*******
(my address removed for my own privacy)

Its best if you ship via USPS, as the courier services tend to have expensive brokerage fees. I've had lots of luck getting stuff sent to me via USPS. If you can confirm when you ship, that would be great!

Thanks,

Tim

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:28 am
by scionofjustice

Absolutely, I will be sending them out this weekend and as soon as I have a confirmation number I will let you know right away

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Tue May 11, 2010 9:04 am
by scionofjustice

Hey there! I have been super busy with a billion things, but I wanted to let you know I shipped these out a while back. It might take some time however since it is going across the border, and we just had Mother's Day here, so everyone and their brother sent cards all over. Let me know when you get them!

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:50 pm
by Timbor

Hi again,

Still waiting for the package arrive. What date did you send it out? I'm assuming its stuck in customs or something and hopefully it will show up soon. Would you be able to scan a copy of the customs receipt you got when you mailed it? I'm thinking of contacting USPS to see if they have processed it yet. I know there's no tracking, but there should be a number that they scan when it passes through customs.

Thanks,

Tim

Re: H: DH, Dwarfs, HE, OnG, DoC W: DoC, IG

Sent: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:52 pm
by Timbor

Hi there,

The snotlings came in the mail finally, however I have a few problems I would like you to address:

First, I specifically requested by PM that you ship via USPS (united states postal service) since couriers have expensive brokerage. You shipped via UPS (united parcel service), and I had to pay $20 in brokerage fees - that's an extra 50% over what I paid you. With USPS, packages rarely get charged brokerage at this size, and if it was, the max payable would be roughly $10.

Next, your ad stated that there were 93 metal snotlings. I counted today and found 82. One of them was two snotlings on piggyback, so you could stretch it to 83. Did you forget to mail 10 of them, or did you possibly miscount them before shipping? I agreed to pay you for 93 metal snotlings, not 83.

Finally, on the UPS tracking website, it lists the item as being scanned into the system on May 28, 2010. You can confirm this at UPS.com using the tracking number 1Z340X216891452748. You sent me a message on May 11, 2010 stating you had already shipped the items. I really don't know what to make of that. I sent the money to you via paypal on Tuesday April 27, 2010. Can you please confirm to me when you actually shipped.

I do not wish to file a bad trader report about you, nor do I wish to file a claim via paypal for missing goods, so please respond to me as soon as possible. I would like to know how you plan to make this right. I look forward to hearing back from you.

Thanks,

Tim

The last two PMs have not been read by scionofjustice. I filed a claim with paypal, but I filed it after the 45 days, so it won't be investigated. The point I am at right now is that I had to pay UPS brokerage, which amounted to an extra 50% of what I paid for the minis, and not all of them were there. You can check the UPS item online using the tracking number 1Z340X216891452748

I should bring attention to the return address listed on the package. The minis were in a box with a return address labelled:

Shelly Varnedoe
15151 NW 150th Rd
Alachua, Fl 32615
USA

The package was in a UPS bag with the return address:
Kyle Stout
Apt 2070
15151 NW 150th Rd
Alachua, Fl 32615-5559

If required, I can take pictures of the packages as confirmation of these addresses.

If you are familiar with recent BTRs, Kyle Stout has appeared in several of them:
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=99334
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=99254
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=99239
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=98802

As noted in my PM, his paypal address is adhesivespatula@gmail.com - I make the link because of the BTRs I just referenced were for the user name adhesivespatula.

I have not yet left negative feedback. In the rare chance that Kyle/Shelly gets back to me in the next week and refunds me a bit of money, I will leave a neutral feedback.

Hopefully this will serve to warn other people if Kyle decides to make another account and trade some more.

[Ironhide]

Scionofjustice has been banned. Multi-accounting.

[Timbor]

Good to know. Would my case be worthwhile/acceptable to pursue as mail fraud? I wasn't given a real name from scionofjustice, only what was on the paypal receipt and the return address. I did receive 90% of what I paid for - think it would be worthwhile to file a claim for $10USD of missing goods? I know they wouldn't bother with the wrong shipping method... Would me being from Canada make things more difficult?

[Ironhide]

Both agencies will tag the name, and the more a person is reported, the more likely they will get pinched.

[MagickalMemories]

Agreed.
Report the man using the links in IH's sig line.
He is a chronic fraudster & multi-accounter. Do not give him an inch.

Additionally:
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=112327&p=227032#p227032

Eric

[Timbor]

Sounds like a plan. Does the USPS link cover only mail sent by USPS, or do they also investigate courier mail? Just wondering since my parcel was not sent via USPS.