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Ironhide ( 92 )
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Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:53 pm

Well, I've seen this talked about, and people asked if they could write articles on trading guidelines, shipping guidelines, etc. So I've come up with an idea. I would like to create a "living document" that will be updated on a weekly basis. By updated, I mean the first post will be updated to reflect input made by the denizens of B-Town who come up with good guideline(s) that are also seconded by other users.

Guidelines

Trading
- Always give your general location up front before finalizing a trade.
- Don't leave your potential trade partner in limbo. At least do the courtesy of telling him you are not interested, or you found a better deal, or something.
- Make sure you get each others address
- Provide and alternate means of contact
- Place a fair value on the items you trade. Do some research on what other people may value the items at.

Shipping
- Never send a trade shipment as a gift.
If you are caught falsifying a customs declaration (i.e marking something as a gift when it is not a gift), you can be fined up to $10,000 dollars in the USA. Other countries differ. It will also limit any legal action you wish to pursue. Imagine the guy's local police seeing the Customs form with "Gift" marked on it. Won't go far after that. Not to mention you will basically be admitting you falsified a customs document.
- Package your shipments appropriately to the trade. (Could use a little help on beefing this one up.)
- Delivery Confirmation and Customs Forms Numbers are your friend. Use them and they will save you some heartache.
- Make sure the address is legible
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Feedback Leaving feedback is optional. However....
- Please leave feedback.
- If you do not wish to leave feedback, then at least tell your trade partner why.
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So, what do ya'll think of my initial suggestions?

NOTE: You don't have to do it in this format, but please at least tell what type of guideline you are referring to. If there is another guideline subject that needs inclusion, please tell.

Updated: April 2nd, 2009 11:07AM
Last edited by Ironhide on Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:08 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by jlong05 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:16 pm

Great idea!

I think for the shipping, maybe a comment to pack your items as you would prefer your trade partner to pack theirs. ie: Don't pack a box with 50 multipart figures in loose bits.
The only "hobby" GW is interested in is lining their pockets with your money.

- Finally, if you complete a trade with me, you also agree that MagickalMemories will send me a free grot in the mail.

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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:40 pm

That could be misconstrued. Besides, don't you mean: Don't pack 50 multipart plastic figures of loose bits in a mail bag?
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Crestion du Sable » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:43 pm

I would take it mean: "Have multipart figures individually contained. (i.e. each mini in a zippy bag, etc)."

Also, I would add the following
Listing:
On non-mainstream (unique, odd, or foreign) things give an idea of what you value the item at.

(Instance I unintentionally lowballed a guy who had Gamezone Knights for a buck a knight... he was polite about the rebuff, but I felt like a jerk.)

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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:01 am

@ Crestion: How about, "Place a fair value on the items you trade. Do some research on what other people may value the items at."
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by peacemystic » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:32 am

Heres a rather simple one,but i've run into it a few times lately.

Make sure your return address on the package you send is legible,so your trade partner can read it.
(you should of course have already traded addresses online,but thats not always the case)

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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:33 am

@ peacemystic: Added
"You can't always get what you want, but sometimes, you get what you need." - The Rolling Stones
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Crestion du Sable » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:39 pm

Ironhide wrote:@ Crestion: How about, "Place a fair value on the items you trade. Do some research on what other people may value the items at."
I like that wording

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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:08 pm

And so it shall be added!
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:13 pm

Haven't got much response on this. However, I am thinking of writing up an article on how to conduct a safe trade using info I have gotten here. Has anyone ever started to write up such an article, but never finished it due to loss of interest or what-have-you? If so, PM some of the stuff you captured in your unfinished work and I'll make a go of finishing it. I will, of course, put down people who helped in the article once finished.
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by MagickalMemories » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:38 pm

I would make a SMALL alteration...
- Never send a trade shipment as a gift.
I'd reword it to something like this:

- If you are in the US, be aware that marking an item as a "gift," when trading is a Federal crime.

or

- If shipping from the US, you should not mark trades as "gifts," as it is a Federal crime.

This way, we're clearly dissuading people from doing it, providing them with the reason why, but still not being all "down their throats" about it. ; )

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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:09 pm

Good idea. That will explain it better to those who are outside the US.
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by s_o_r_r_o_w » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:45 pm

You may also, on the subject of cross border trades, indicate that items marked as "models", "toys", and "books" are duty free (not tax free) when entering Canada.

In fact...maybe it would be a good idea for volunteers from relevant non-US countries to put up the "when you ship to country X" guidelines. They could include specific details about duty exemptions.
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by Ironhide » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:53 pm

I would love for people to give that kind of info. People in foreign lands! Post your LEGAL ways around your country's customs duties/tax!
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Re: Unofficial Guidelines

Post by MagickalMemories » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:13 pm

Yeah, peoples! LOL

I know we have Canadians, Spaniards, Japanese, Chinese, British, Greeks, Brazillians and, I think, Aussies here... or, at least, traders in those countries. Maybe even a Mexican roaming around.

Help us out, peepel.


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