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Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by Linrandir » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:47 am

Good evening everyone!

Since MM's latest Troll-splosion, a number of people have suggested we start a Patreon for Bartertown. I will look into this in the next few days, as well as trying to get an idea for the workload required.

That said, and making it clear that user funding the site will never be mandatory as long as I own it, what are y'all's thoughts on us starting a Patreon page to generate more funds for the site?
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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by MagickalMemories » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:32 am

I'm up to my eyeballs. I'm too old to be raising kids AND just now getting around to pursuing a CIS degree for data analytics. But, here I am, doing it anyway.

I CANNOT be a regular contributor, maintain it, etc. But I'll be glad to post occasional things for members, like "How To's" for packing, shipping, etc., and stuff, to contribute to whatever our obligation will be to supporters.

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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by MagickalMemories » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:32 am

Heh heh heh Troll-splosion.
I like it.
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I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by pretre » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:12 pm

Yeah, Patreon's cool and all but it's just a platform for regular deductions of donations. Most places feel like they need to give value to get it, but the problem is that you are already giving value, you're just trying to find a different way to capitalize it.

Instead of patreon, what about donate links? You can setup a paypal widget that donates $1 or whatever and put it on the page.
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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by wsott1970 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:19 pm

pretre that is super smart... A good bit of people are just too cheap to pay the yearly fee; however, periodic $1 donations for something they might end up doing... (it would) be easier to guilt people to cough up some change for a service that saves them a lot of eBay/Paypal fees... they shouldn't have to be coerced/guilted (but you can't change human nature).

Perhaps, try this... $1 (or maybe even .50 cents) donation to allow a single posting in the 4-day window vs the normal 7-day window... I would think people would pay for that... Maybe even sub out other components, in single-use versions, of paying members for cheap (.50 cents)... I would think people would use them... and generate a money stream (trickle)... and if they use them enough they will realize that paying for a year is way cheaper... ie it is a small trickle (vs a stream) that will lead to a full stream.

Maybe to go along with that tighten restrictions on total posts... Because I believe that is abused... I get a mixed add in 40k/Fantasy... Maybe even bits... but some people post the same damn add in every category it could fit in... That is annoying as hell (worse than thread bumping IMHO)... If you reduced to say 3 total postings in the 7-day window (with the same no posting in a specific category for 7-days)... I don't think it would have a chilling effect (most people don't use more than 3-4 trade topics is my guess - on a regular basis)... that could generate more people that pay the yearly fee and definitely give you another thing to use for the system above (ok you are over 3 total adds cough up .50 cents to get a single-use membership permission)...

The above would hopefully make people stop hitting every topic and hopefully start to split their bits/board games/PP ads out into specific parts and maybe even 40K/Fantasy (I am guilty of that one for sure - I can split it but I don't split it because I am lazy (sometimes) and I know it hurts my ad because I would get tired of reading through a long mostly fantasy ad if I only played 40K)... That makes ads easier to read, more topical (which I would prefer), and maybe less MM has to check (because when people only have 3 adds in 7 days (if they use the service a lot) they will want to make sure they get the most out of it)... I see the current post in any topic (and get yelled at later) as probably a bad QMS loop (at least for the abusers) and it may be a way to turn it into a self-reinforcing QMS loop (make it in the users best interest to do what is right vs what is wrong).

I prefer PayPal but I am old... The young 'uns do like different things.

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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by wsott1970 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:31 pm

Lol... or provide a profit motive (one of the above benefits) for purchases made form supporting businesses... Much harder to track but that does show somebody like pretre that hey we enacted this policy and it made your volume go up 15%... how much would that be worth to the business??? I really do believe that the businesses that supporting BarterTown do an awesome job... and I will buy from them (even if a little over what I could get elsewhere) just to support them... Perhaps there is a way to use self-profit to cause it a user to act as I do.

Though there will be abusers here as with anything (Hey pretre - can you sell be this $1 item and ship it for free????)... and I could see that being annoying.

The key is not to have a chilling effect on the use of Bartertown... More users = More trades... and that is good... but to find a service or policy change that isn't a game breaker and set a common profit motive between BarterTown and the users... Once symbiosis is achieved almost everything can start to get better... but people don't part with money without a profit motive... even though long term it is in their best interests to keep BarterTown in funds... they think too short-term.

Last thought for now.

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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by MagickalMemories » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:51 pm

One thing we have to keep in mind, on the back end, is whether we can even incorporate certain things into our software.
We use phpBB software. So, using wsott's example of paying a one-time fee to most an ad sooner than normall, allowed, we'd have to do one of two things:
1) Find a plug-in that someone happens to have already created for phpBB that does that action, test it, then implement it.
or
2) We (Plarz) would have to create it from scratch.

I sincerely doubt that anyone's done #1 yet, and Plarz, like the rest of us, isn't exactly brimming with free time.

@Pretre
You make good points.

I think the benefit of Donate links is that they're always here and always on.
On the other hand, Patreon is a "set it and forget it" kind of deal, where someone can set it up to give us a buck a month, then not have to worry about remembering after that.

Frankly, I can see benefits to both.
...and there's no real reason that they need to be exclusionary, really.

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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by jason1977 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:12 pm

OK. Im sorry. Im just a noob in the world. What is a patreon??

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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by wsott1970 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:23 am

I thought technical implementation might be a pain... not a lot I can tell you on that one.

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Re: Patreon for Bartertown?

Post by MagickalMemories » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:35 am

jason1977 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:12 pm
OK. Im sorry. Im just a noob in the world. What is a patreon??

Jason


PS Trolls answers should be nuked.
Real answer:
https://www.patreon.com/

Patreon is a website where... well, almost anyone... can let people give them money for... stuff.
It's often used by artists, webcomic creators, and online contributors as a way to be able to offer their services "for free" online, and allow their fans to pay them for those services.

That's a SUPER basic description.

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