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the_trader AKA Joe Bartle - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Norseman » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:37 pm

Ok guys I am making a new Thread because the other one just became a flame fest. Please use that one to discuss the pros and cons and encouragment to take more descive action.

I would invite any mods to help with the pruning of none related messages.

We need to figure out how big this thing really is.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION PLEASE READ
ACTION REQUIRED


Important posts on pages 2 and 4 of this thread. Look for large red font.

I will continue to update this post with new information so please continue to check it out for status report changes

This Thread is for:
Information on what is being done.
Requests for you to take certain particular actions.

I need a brief detail of what your deal was:
Example:

Randy Sundell
$70 for:
Joesph Bartle
4 Chimera Tanks
Method of Payment: Paypal - Available Funds

I have contacted Paypal and the have given me a few websites in which to visit

http://www.econsumer.gov - This is a international fraud site. This site will help paypal actually take action on the_trader legally and sieze his and possibly his mother's accounts, through collection agencys.
ic3.gov this is a US website and probably will not do much for us but he incouraged me top post a claim here as well.

I have had difficulty tracking down his phone number. He must be new at his address. However If my cold calls to the UK do not prove to be fruitful today I do have the option of payiing 10 pounds and getting the information. I know it's there from the report generated from the tracking site, but I will not show me the phone number unless I pay.

There are quite a few Bartles close to the address he provided. I am sure one will know who he is or is related. (Maybe I can get ahold of some grand parents before christmas.)

If you havent already escalate your paypal dispute to a claim. It is first come first serve with Paypal. It is not divided amoungst us all equally. If you put in a dispute it should have frozen the cash in his account. There is no way to expidite this you must wait your 15 days for dispute resolution.

This is the account I paypal'd to:
joe_n_lisa_bartle@hotmail.co.uk

His Email.
warfang@hotmail.co.uk

His Address:
joseph bartle
31 raglan street
hull, Humberside
hu5 2jn
United Kingdom

or

joseph bartle
31 raglan street
hull
yorkshire
england

Mother's name is probably Lisa or Elizabeth. Directory would probably be under E or L Bartle.
*** Edit: Looks like his mothers' name is Lynda, Father is Richard - possibly deceased***
*** Edit: Lisa is his Girlfriend or Common-law partner - possibly now separated.

He lives with his mother.

I am leaning to the thought that the first address is a more exact address.

I do not currently have an phone number and if anyone can find it please post it here.
*** Edit: Telephone is unlisted next to impossible to get a hold of.

List of involved partys:

Norseman
$70 - 4 Chimeras
Reported UKPD - Via Phone
Status - Recieved call back from UKPD Details on page 4

Mathias
$22.84 - Swordsmen
Reported UKPD - Via Website

Valhallansurfer
$80 - Steel Legion
Reported UKPD - Via Website

BrooklynMike
$100 - Chaos Deamons
Reported UKPD - Via Website

Mastermind
$25 - Hell Cannon

Brian Thacker
$30 - Swordwind Army
Reported UKPD - Via Website

arundel
$130 - Tank lot

TrooperPX
$580 - Tank lot
Reported UKPD - Via Website

Bookwrack
$35 - SOB lot

Phaze24
$50 - Valhallans
Reported UKPD - Via Website

lordnorth
$30 - Necrons
Reported UKPD - Via Website

eman1_2
$15 - Undead
Reported UKPD - Via Website

pcgamer72
Loss of $50.00 US

If there is anybody else or wrong info listed please msg me.

Thanks for your help.

Randy
Last edited by Norseman on Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:54 pm, edited 15 times in total.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Brian Thacker » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:08 pm

Randy,
If you need anything just pm me. Let me know what I can do to help.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by BrooklynMike » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:40 pm

Randy, thanks for taking the lead. I have PM'ed you all the relevant information.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Valhallansurfer » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:02 am

I am glad for this. The thread I started didn't do the topic justice and turned into a huge mess. Sorry for that.

I have not heard back from my E.U. lawyer connection, but if I do, I will post it. Please let me know if I can do anything.

Cheers,

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Norseman » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:39 pm

No progress yet. I made about 20 calls this morning. Got about 6 home. No relations or anyone that knew Joesph Bartle. One lady said there was no Joesph Bartle. (Interesting) Another lady said there was 3 Bartle families and they didn't mix much. I will try again after lunch which should be after 5pm there. So I should get more success.

Also I notice one thread with someone pointing out possible church and school. I wouldnt mind getting ahold of that church's name, and give them a call. This is proving to be a little more difficult than I thought it would be. Bartle must be a more common name in England, but 3 families isnt that bad it shouldn't be much longer before I narrow down a relative, and get a link to him. If all else fails I will just call his local police station and they should help out. With a theft of over a 1000 dollars he would possiblably get a few years. I talked to my cousin which is RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) in the computer crimes division (convenient... I know), and he said he would step in if I didnt have any success.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Norseman » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:48 pm

Actually I am forgetting how international BTown is. Anyone from England out there? Can you call directory assistance and get a number for Joesph Bartle from the phonebook. His address is above and he is not on any of the international directories. His mother's name is possibly Lisa or Elizabeth. I am not complaining but this is taking alot of time and it is costing me money for every answering machine I get, and if someone could just look up his number in the book in 5 seconds it would save me alot of agrevation.

I volunteer to make first contact with his mother or him. I would like to keep this professional and business like. Then if no progress is made bring in legal aid. I am not going to let this just fade away and cut my losses.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Crestion du Sable » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:33 pm

According to the UK Electorial Roles, at that address lives two folks named Bartle, a Lynda P. Bartle (mid 50's age range) and a Richard M. Bartle (source: http://www.192.com)

http://www.118.com lists the following Joesph Bartle in Hull: (Bartle)

Bartle Joseph T
01482 658 838
2 Wauldby Cl, HULL, NORTH HUMBERSIDE, HU10 6QQ

I cannot find a telephone listing for Bartle at the postal code listed with the guy's address in the OP's post. I hope this helps somewhat.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Norseman » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:35 pm

I am interested in how long ago the transactions with Jdubb and The other guys were.

I got the electoral roll from England and they are not on it. So either they dont vote, or it is a fake address, or they have thier mail forwarded? I am thinking it is that they just dont vote. Single mother's generally do not vote. (I know its a stereotype, and apologise to any single mother's that vote, and that are offended.)

Electoral Roll 2008 Sign in or register and get credits to view full details
Full Details ELIZABETH BARTLE XX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 XXX
Age guide: 50-54 (?), other occupants ROY C BARTLE, YASMIN BARTLE
Full Details ROY C BARTLE XX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 XXX
Age guide: 65+ (?), other occupants ELIZABETH BARTLE, YASMIN BARTLE
Full Details YASMIN BARTLE XX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 XXX
Age guide: 30-34 (?), other occupants ELIZABETH BARTLE, ROY C BARTLE
Full Details PETER B BARTLE XX XXX XXXXXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 XXX
other occupants SARAH J BARTLE
Full Details SARAH J BARTLE XX XXX XXXXXXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 XXX
other occupants PETER B BARTLE

This is a list of all Bartles in the postal code HU5... I talked to the Elizabeth Bartle on the list and it is not the same address as provided.

I am going to try and confirm a few details.. Will report in later

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Post by Norseman » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:40 pm

Yes I found that one on 118.com as well I didnt call it yet because the postal code signifiys that it is quite far away from Raglan St.

However that Electoral Roll info helps alot... I didnt find that info when I looked on 192.com. I will seen what I can do with that info. What did you search to get that info on Richard Bartle at the 31 Raglan address?

I started looking at birth records to try and confirm that Joesph isnt using a alias... Not much success yet.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Crestion du Sable » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:43 pm

I searched like this:

I am looking for: "Bartle"
Location: "hu5 2jn"

Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of how the Crown phone system works. However, that is due to the fact I am... a bloody colonial as it were. ;)

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Norseman » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:07 pm

I left out the space (slap myself in the head).

Nice work. Looks like Her name is Lynda, and Richard no longer is registered at the same address.

Thanks alot Crestion.

Any Brits out there that can give us a hand with a phone number for Richard or Lynda Bartle.
I will keep trying on the web.

Electoral Roll 2008 Upgrade your account to view full details
Full Details LYNDA P BARTLE XX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 2JN
Age guide: 50-54 (?)

1 - 2 of 2 results
Electoral Roll 2002 - 2007 Upgrade your account to view full details
Full Details LYNDA P BARTLE XX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 2JN
Age guide: 50-54 (?)
Full Details RICHARD M BARTLE XX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX HU5 2JN
other occupants LYNDA P BARTLE

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by MagickalMemories » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:39 pm

I put a feeler out to someone I know in the UK.

I'll update when i hear from him.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Brian Thacker » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:11 pm

Hey Randy,
I know that this is costing you money so can I contribute some for the search. Anything for the cause.

Thanks!!
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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by Valhallansurfer » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:13 pm

Same as Brian. In a few days I will have some Paypal $$ to send your way.

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Re: Taking action on the-trader - Involved Parties Discussion

Post by LEGION » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:55 pm

Bravo Norseman!

Finally you seem to be getting close. Just for posterity sake he also attempted to fraud me for the little sum of $15 for some Arbites back in november. I didn't pay him in advance so I am not out anything but it was my Post in the backout forum that kicked off the_trader love fest. I am eagerly watching the forums waiting to hear some good news resolution to this. I would suggest calling the local police department. I don't think calling Joseph or his mother is going to amount to anything as Redstarone has already stated the money is gone and he tried to double sell models. And I am about 99% certain that he tried to sell me models he never had in the first place. Despite what he has tried to say about being an innocent and just foolish child I get the sense that he is fully aware and deliberatly stealing from people. His every action has been calculated to mislead and stall.
  • Get BT account and make a quick purchase to get rep, Offer good deals for very difficult finds
    Make as many trades as possible before he was called out
    Only trade with Btowners listed in countries other than the UK
    Stall for time claiming to be posting "tomorrow"
    Stall for time claiming to be looking for tracking
    Stall for time claiming to be working with RedStar
    Probably cleared out his paypal account as soon as his game was up
All of this points towards methodical criminal behavior and I wouldn't be suprised if he was not a kid at all. I suggest contacting authorities asap.
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