Sun Tzu26 - [Admin edit] or cant follow rules
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:19 am
I'm not totally sure of his intentions - whether he was trying to twist it to get me to ship first or if he was really just misinformed but there were a few strong indicators which made me skeptical
1 - complaining about the shipping cost when I would have to ship to him as well and that he was going out on a limb paying for shipping
2 - being very interested in everything I had to offer (maybe it's just me? but that seems like a "ship me everything that you can" mentality)
3 - referral from someone who PURCHASED from him while the purchaser has no referral of his own. Why would the person send money then give a referral before receiving the items? The purchaser has no rating or posts - made up account?
4 - adamant that I ship first
Either way - it resulted in a backout and caution should be used against this guy
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:06 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Subject: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Astynax wrote:
Haves:
6 Metal Chaos terminators - 1 reaper autocannon, 3 combi weapons, 2 twin linked bolters, 1 chainfist, 1 power fist
6 Plague Marine Bodies - have plaguebearer arms and heads but can be removed to add CSM parts for plague marines
60 Zombies
Wants:
Anything SM - starting up and just have 1 tac squad.
Eldar - Looking more for models just to paint up, warlocks & autarchs preferred. Not looking for large army trades.
Hey
I have these models to trade. I'm interested in your Terms and Plague Marines.
Please PM with offers!
20 Guardians+one heavy weapon(Troop)(Partly painted)
7 Fire Dragons including 2 Exarch(Elite)(ok paint)
5 Warp Spiders including Exarch(Fast Attack)(painted poorly)
9 Swooping Hawks including Exarch(Fast Attack)(nicely painted)
16 Dark Reapers(Heavy)(4 without weapons)(partly painted)
4 Weapons Battery+crew+3 extra weapons(Heavy)(5 Shadow Weavers, 2 Virbo & 1 D cannons)
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:34 pm
by Astynax
Is there anything you need from what I have?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:53 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
I'm interested in your Terms and Plague Marines.
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:37 pm
by Astynax
Ah ya, I just looked at the last message & looks like you wrote that in my quote so I missed it.
Would you want to trade for your warp spiders?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:43 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
I didn't put it in the quote. Yes I would trade the Warp Spiders for Terms.
Thanks,
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:36 pm
by Astynax
Sounds good. Would you like the plague marine bodies as well?
I obtained a deathguard army and combined it with my CSM and the models are actually plague marine bodies with plaguebearer heads and arms and the guy used them as possessed. However, I have too many elite choices and cant use them so you can have them if you would like as well. I have a bunch of arms & heads from some CSM you could put on them if you want too
What would your shipping address be?
Also as you have a lower rating, it's customary that you would ship first. I will provide tracking and a scan of the shipping document for assurance when I ship.
My address is
<REMOVED FOR PRIVACY>
Let me know if you have any questions!
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:22 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
Yes, I would like the Plague Marines. How I have done it in the past is I send them, once I send you the tracking number. Then you send yours with a tracking number.
My address is: <REMOVED FOR PRIVACY>
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:47 am
by Astynax
That works too.
I do have another question though - I haven't tried the support weapons platforms with my army before and am considering it maybe for fun games - is there anything else you are looking for that we could trade for them? Would you be able to get some pics of the platforms as well? Otherwise the other deal is still a go. I'll pack them up tomorrow after work.
Thanks!
Hey
I can post pics of the platform Friday night and mail by Monday. I want jetbikes, Harlaquins or a Wave Serpent. Or I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks,
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:20 am
by Astynax
Hey Paul,
I dont have any of the listed stuff unfortunately. The only other items would be a CSM khorne lord with a daemon weapon and about 1700 points worth of WoC from WHFB.
Let me know if you could use any of it, otherwise dont worry about the pics!
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:04 am
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
What are WoC from WHFB? How many weapons platforms did you want?
Thanks,
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:47 pm
by Astynax
Warriors of Chaos from warhammer fantasy battles. The # of platforms depends on if there's anything you need and what their values are
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:37 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
I will trade all the platforms for some of your WoC. I will take the Khorne Lord. Do you have any Chaos Chariots, Beast of Nurgle or Screemers of Tzeentch? I have post the pics of the platforms and Warp Spiders.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:45 pm
by Astynax
Sorry, no chariots or the listed demons. WoC doesnt include demons anymore since theyve been split out as their own army. Want to trade anything for just the lord?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:26 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
I can trade for just the Lord or for more. Tell me what you have. I have a friend who plays WoC and is interested in adding to his army. So if you want all the platforms we can work out a deal.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:56 pm
by Astynax
I think I'll just trade the lord for now. I haven't used my WoC much yet and may possibly trade some stuff later once I figure out how the army plays. Would you trade 1 platform for it?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:33 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
Deal is 6 CSM Terms, 6 plauge Marines and the Lord for 5 Warp Spiders and a Heavy Weapon with 2 crew. I will send a "Shadow Weaver" and a 'Virbo Cannon". I'm good with it. I need your info agian. I was clearing PM's and deleted it. Once I receive the tracking number then within 24hrs I will send it off and PM you the tracking number.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:00 am
by Astynax
Hey Paul,
Yep that sounds good. My address is
< REMOVED FOR PRIVACY>
Talk to you soon!
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:43 pm
by Astynax
Heys,
Have you had a chance to ship them out yet? If so do you have the tracking #?
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:04 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
I thought you were going to ship first and send me the tracking number.Then I would ship within 24hrs. I said that in Oct 25 PM.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:12 pm
by Astynax
Ah, I misread that - but why would I ship first when I have more referrals than all your sites combined?
The original discussion on Oct 22 also listed that "Also as you have a lower rating, it's customary that you would ship first. I will provide tracking and a scan of the shipping document for assurance when I ship."
I would be more skeptical to ship first since your heresy referrals cannot be traced and the one here is from someone with a (0) rating. Would you be able to ship them out first?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:24 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest. Terms were set and you agreed. If you don't want to do the deal that's fine. I was only doing this deal because I thought I could trade those models for stuff I wanted. Shipping cost alone make this a pricy deal for me.
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:42 pm
by Astynax
This isn't a pissing contest - it's based on security and terms to ensure the more reliable person is not ripped off. You cannot argue that you are doing me a favor with "Shipping cost alone make this a pricy deal for me" when I have to pay shipping as well to send them to you.
You will not convince me to ship first especially with your unusual reference of having sold to "leth" on Btown in your signature when you have the (2) rating and he has the (0). If he purchased from you he would have sent the money first which would show him having completed his part of the transaction and you giving him a referral rather than receiving one for getting paid. It does not make sense for the buyer to leave the reference first and you could have easily made a new account and given yourself the referral. Furthermore, the other sites you have claimed to have traded on do not leave referrals of any type except for rogue trader, but that person is also unreliable with a rating of (5).
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:32 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
You have three reference and I have three if you don't include Hersey. Which doesn't do any rating and was the only site I was trading at first. Also at the time I was new to trading and didn't realize about references. Ratings of people that I have traded with is nothing I can control, only the success of the traded. Which all my trades have been. The comment about the cost was because I can't use these models. They are only going to be traded for something I want. So I might have other shipping cost including shipping to Canada.
So because of I really don't need these, cost(didn't realize you lived in Canada unit I received your address), disagreement on who ships first and I feel insulted. I not interested in the deal anymore. I've done everything I could to show I'm a good trader and you act like I trying to scam you. Well I've had people try to scam me, so I'm careful. I don't need to take the risk for stuff that isn't part of my armies. Good luck in your trading and gaming.
Thanks,
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:05 pm
by Astynax
Heys,
Actually, the number next to my username in brackets which show up in the forums are my referrals and the ones in my signature are those who have failed to provide a referral after we traded, so I would have more than you. While your intentions may be good - if the models are for someone else you can get them to pay the shipping so you aren't the one losing out on the trade.
Please read the forum rules to prevent conflict in future trades. Take care
Thanks
1 - complaining about the shipping cost when I would have to ship to him as well and that he was going out on a limb paying for shipping
2 - being very interested in everything I had to offer (maybe it's just me? but that seems like a "ship me everything that you can" mentality)
3 - referral from someone who PURCHASED from him while the purchaser has no referral of his own. Why would the person send money then give a referral before receiving the items? The purchaser has no rating or posts - made up account?
4 - adamant that I ship first
Either way - it resulted in a backout and caution should be used against this guy
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:06 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Subject: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Astynax wrote:
Haves:
6 Metal Chaos terminators - 1 reaper autocannon, 3 combi weapons, 2 twin linked bolters, 1 chainfist, 1 power fist
6 Plague Marine Bodies - have plaguebearer arms and heads but can be removed to add CSM parts for plague marines
60 Zombies
Wants:
Anything SM - starting up and just have 1 tac squad.
Eldar - Looking more for models just to paint up, warlocks & autarchs preferred. Not looking for large army trades.
Hey
I have these models to trade. I'm interested in your Terms and Plague Marines.
Please PM with offers!
20 Guardians+one heavy weapon(Troop)(Partly painted)
7 Fire Dragons including 2 Exarch(Elite)(ok paint)
5 Warp Spiders including Exarch(Fast Attack)(painted poorly)
9 Swooping Hawks including Exarch(Fast Attack)(nicely painted)
16 Dark Reapers(Heavy)(4 without weapons)(partly painted)
4 Weapons Battery+crew+3 extra weapons(Heavy)(5 Shadow Weavers, 2 Virbo & 1 D cannons)
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:34 pm
by Astynax
Is there anything you need from what I have?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:53 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
I'm interested in your Terms and Plague Marines.
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:37 pm
by Astynax
Ah ya, I just looked at the last message & looks like you wrote that in my quote so I missed it.
Would you want to trade for your warp spiders?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:43 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
I didn't put it in the quote. Yes I would trade the Warp Spiders for Terms.
Thanks,
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:36 pm
by Astynax
Sounds good. Would you like the plague marine bodies as well?
I obtained a deathguard army and combined it with my CSM and the models are actually plague marine bodies with plaguebearer heads and arms and the guy used them as possessed. However, I have too many elite choices and cant use them so you can have them if you would like as well. I have a bunch of arms & heads from some CSM you could put on them if you want too
What would your shipping address be?
Also as you have a lower rating, it's customary that you would ship first. I will provide tracking and a scan of the shipping document for assurance when I ship.
My address is
<REMOVED FOR PRIVACY>
Let me know if you have any questions!
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:22 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
Yes, I would like the Plague Marines. How I have done it in the past is I send them, once I send you the tracking number. Then you send yours with a tracking number.
My address is: <REMOVED FOR PRIVACY>
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:47 am
by Astynax
That works too.
I do have another question though - I haven't tried the support weapons platforms with my army before and am considering it maybe for fun games - is there anything else you are looking for that we could trade for them? Would you be able to get some pics of the platforms as well? Otherwise the other deal is still a go. I'll pack them up tomorrow after work.
Thanks!
Hey
I can post pics of the platform Friday night and mail by Monday. I want jetbikes, Harlaquins or a Wave Serpent. Or I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks,
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:20 am
by Astynax
Hey Paul,
I dont have any of the listed stuff unfortunately. The only other items would be a CSM khorne lord with a daemon weapon and about 1700 points worth of WoC from WHFB.
Let me know if you could use any of it, otherwise dont worry about the pics!
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:04 am
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
What are WoC from WHFB? How many weapons platforms did you want?
Thanks,
Sun Tzu26
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:47 pm
by Astynax
Warriors of Chaos from warhammer fantasy battles. The # of platforms depends on if there's anything you need and what their values are
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:37 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
I will trade all the platforms for some of your WoC. I will take the Khorne Lord. Do you have any Chaos Chariots, Beast of Nurgle or Screemers of Tzeentch? I have post the pics of the platforms and Warp Spiders.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:45 pm
by Astynax
Sorry, no chariots or the listed demons. WoC doesnt include demons anymore since theyve been split out as their own army. Want to trade anything for just the lord?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:26 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
I can trade for just the Lord or for more. Tell me what you have. I have a friend who plays WoC and is interested in adding to his army. So if you want all the platforms we can work out a deal.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:56 pm
by Astynax
I think I'll just trade the lord for now. I haven't used my WoC much yet and may possibly trade some stuff later once I figure out how the army plays. Would you trade 1 platform for it?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:33 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
Deal is 6 CSM Terms, 6 plauge Marines and the Lord for 5 Warp Spiders and a Heavy Weapon with 2 crew. I will send a "Shadow Weaver" and a 'Virbo Cannon". I'm good with it. I need your info agian. I was clearing PM's and deleted it. Once I receive the tracking number then within 24hrs I will send it off and PM you the tracking number.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:00 am
by Astynax
Hey Paul,
Yep that sounds good. My address is
< REMOVED FOR PRIVACY>
Talk to you soon!
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:43 pm
by Astynax
Heys,
Have you had a chance to ship them out yet? If so do you have the tracking #?
Thanks
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:04 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey
I thought you were going to ship first and send me the tracking number.Then I would ship within 24hrs. I said that in Oct 25 PM.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:12 pm
by Astynax
Ah, I misread that - but why would I ship first when I have more referrals than all your sites combined?
The original discussion on Oct 22 also listed that "Also as you have a lower rating, it's customary that you would ship first. I will provide tracking and a scan of the shipping document for assurance when I ship."
I would be more skeptical to ship first since your heresy referrals cannot be traced and the one here is from someone with a (0) rating. Would you be able to ship them out first?
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:24 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest. Terms were set and you agreed. If you don't want to do the deal that's fine. I was only doing this deal because I thought I could trade those models for stuff I wanted. Shipping cost alone make this a pricy deal for me.
Paul
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:42 pm
by Astynax
This isn't a pissing contest - it's based on security and terms to ensure the more reliable person is not ripped off. You cannot argue that you are doing me a favor with "Shipping cost alone make this a pricy deal for me" when I have to pay shipping as well to send them to you.
You will not convince me to ship first especially with your unusual reference of having sold to "leth" on Btown in your signature when you have the (2) rating and he has the (0). If he purchased from you he would have sent the money first which would show him having completed his part of the transaction and you giving him a referral rather than receiving one for getting paid. It does not make sense for the buyer to leave the reference first and you could have easily made a new account and given yourself the referral. Furthermore, the other sites you have claimed to have traded on do not leave referrals of any type except for rogue trader, but that person is also unreliable with a rating of (5).
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:32 pm
by Sun Tzu26
Hey Jeff
You have three reference and I have three if you don't include Hersey. Which doesn't do any rating and was the only site I was trading at first. Also at the time I was new to trading and didn't realize about references. Ratings of people that I have traded with is nothing I can control, only the success of the traded. Which all my trades have been. The comment about the cost was because I can't use these models. They are only going to be traded for something I want. So I might have other shipping cost including shipping to Canada.
So because of I really don't need these, cost(didn't realize you lived in Canada unit I received your address), disagreement on who ships first and I feel insulted. I not interested in the deal anymore. I've done everything I could to show I'm a good trader and you act like I trying to scam you. Well I've had people try to scam me, so I'm careful. I don't need to take the risk for stuff that isn't part of my armies. Good luck in your trading and gaming.
Thanks,
Re: H: CSM, VC W: Eldar, SM
Sent: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:05 pm
by Astynax
Heys,
Actually, the number next to my username in brackets which show up in the forums are my referrals and the ones in my signature are those who have failed to provide a referral after we traded, so I would have more than you. While your intentions may be good - if the models are for someone else you can get them to pay the shipping so you aren't the one losing out on the trade.
Please read the forum rules to prevent conflict in future trades. Take care
Thanks