Deadbeat/Backout: the_trader

starslayer · Post by **starslayer** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:43 am

Why should he reply now? He got what he wanted.
He already landed a fish & now has your money.

File with Paypal now.
Post this guys address/name/etc. so nobody else gets ripped-off.
Start your own thread if you didnt do so already.
Call his authorities & press it as far as you can.

JohnHwangBT · Post by **JohnHwangBT** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:17 am

Hopefully, you paid via credit card, so you can chargeback in case PayPal doesn't do anything.

LEGION · Post by **LEGION** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:27 pm

Get a chargeback and remember to ALWAYS check the bad trader/backout forums BEFORE trading. I have a low number but I have been on these boards for a long time now and I have seen a lot of crap deals. This one and mine smelled fishy as soon as it started. Both were "to good to be true" type deals. As soon as I said you ship first BAMN! total communication halt.

Don't forget to leave BAD feedback and hopefully the mods will ban this guy and every account associated with him. I am now fairly convinced this guy was running a con.

kturock · Post by **kturock** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:32 pm

JohnHwangBT wrote:Hopefully, you paid via credit card, so you can chargeback in case PayPal doesn't do anything.

if paypal doesn't get you money back, which is what happens with scammers, your charge card company won't do anything.
as far as they are concerned, you agreed to paypal, so they did.
what paypal did with the money is between you and them.

i know, i had it happen on ebay and with another online sale for computer software. [it ended being hacked software and paypal didn't care because, that's what the seller said, software. [not hacked software.]

the_trader · Post by **the_trader** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:35 pm

i'm in talks with a fellow BTer to help moderate all the probelsm as i have been simply overloaded and were working on sovling this problem

JohnHwangBT · Post by **JohnHwangBT** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:20 am

@kutrock: That's a change from before. CC companies could get money back from PP.

Oh, well, all the more reason to avoid eBay / PayPal.

kturock · Post by **kturock** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:52 am

Dunno how far back 'before' is. I had the problem about 8 years ago... i've been a member there and ebay since 1999..and about the same time here.

LadyAnara · Post by **LadyAnara** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:27 am

if you will notice he has posted the exact same reply verbatim in all the threads about him....

( 3094 ) · Post by **porkuslime** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:39 am

The miracles of Cut n Paste..

We are aware.. Linrandir has told him to come up with better info quickly..

-Porkuslime

starslayer · Post by **starslayer** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:00 am

Its called STALLING for time. Dont be a chump.
File for refunds, fraud, chargebacks.

Bookwrack · Post by **Bookwrack** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:24 am

LEGION wrote:and remember to ALWAYS check the bad trader/backout forums BEFORE trading

Well in this case there was nothing negative about him in the trouble boards, at least, not at that time.

For my deal, I figured at the worst I was out $35. We'll see what paypal has to say, although I bet it looks _really_ bad on the_trader's end if his account gets hit by multiple disputes within a couple of days.

JohnHwangBT · Post by **JohnHwangBT** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:48 pm

Hello all:

Due to the sheer number of BTR and Deadbeat / Backout threads (8, as of this posting), I have compiled an index in the Hall of Shame:

the_trader in The Hall of Shame

When you see it all at once, it's like The Drop Zone or Ticknor all over again...

/John

(oh, yeah, I can cut-n-paste, too..)

jdubb · Post by **jdubb** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:34 pm

kelanen wrote:Well to be fair he does have 3 refs now, which all look genuine, so lets hope I'm jumping at shadows...

Two of the_trader's positive refs are from me and they are both legit. He bought two items from me, paid first via paypal, and I shipped the items. He was very communicative.

The Grey Knight · Post by **The Grey Knight** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:57 pm

jdubb wrote:
kelanen wrote:Well to be fair he does have 3 refs now, which all look genuine, so lets hope I'm jumping at shadows...
Two of the_trader's positive refs are from me and they are both legit. He bought two items from me, paid first via paypal, and I shipped the items. He was very communicative.

Ah great, then you should have his real address all of these other fellows need to track this guy down.

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:58 pm

The Grey Knight wrote:
jdubb wrote:
kelanen wrote:Well to be fair he does have 3 refs now, which all look genuine, so lets hope I'm jumping at shadows...
Two of the_trader's positive refs are from me and they are both legit. He bought two items from me, paid first via paypal, and I shipped the items. He was very communicative.
Ah great, then you should have his real address all of these other fellows need to track this guy down.

Only if they were included in with the PayPal payment. He might not have kept them, otherwise.

Eric

Bartertown.com

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