Backout: Sekai
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:42 am
I made a deal with Sekai (Nicolas) to purchase a lot of Force of Will cards off of him.
Since he was in the USA and I was in Canada, I asked him to set a price including shipping since shipping would be more to Canada, which he did - $55 USD.
Once we had confirmed the details, I sent Nicolas the money and he said he would ship the following day.
Later on, he messaged me saying that shipping is more than he expected and if he is to ship it to me, he would need more money.
I refused to send him more money after the deal had already been made (which would include me paying conversion/paypal fees a second time). At this point he decided to cancel the deal and refund the money, which still ended up in me losing money on the conversion fee (not much, but still - losing money for nothing is not exactly ideal).
Then, to top it off, he gave me a bad reference saying that it was ME that backed out of the deal.
Do not deal with this person. Terrible ordeal.
*****MESSAGE LOG FOLLOWS*****
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:41 am
by opuswild
I was not unwilling. I let you set costs. I paid them. You wanted more money - that's not how trades here work.
I just saw you did a refund. That's fine. I still paid out the pypal conversion cost though so I still lost a few bucks for nothing.
If you think this is a fail trade due to my actions, then your perspective is highly skewed.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:34 am
by Sekai
I issued you a refund of the money I received.
You are unwilling to work out a deal that doesn't leave me screwed.
Been trading her for forever with very few issues, and you are one sketch individual. Not quite sure what fees you paid, since it appears you sent the money as a gift. I didn't ask you to send money as gift, nor did I ask you to cover any 'fees', that was your decision. Anyways, good luck. It's unfortunate you were unwilling to work something out.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:30 am
by opuswild
I am unwilling? Kidding me? So you've sent me my $80 CAD back then correct? Because I am not eating fees and being happy about it.
If you're backing out now, Im definitely reporting this as a bad trade. You confirmed the trade, and I let YOU set the shipping cost, and now you're backing out because you decided to check costs afterwards and want me to give you more money and pay more fees? That is ludicrous.
You better have at least sent enough to cover my costs. Because that's just ridiculous man.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:16 am
by Sekai
Refund sent. Sorry you are unwilling to work this out.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:14 am
by opuswild
Im not paying more than I already have on this. I said to name a price for shipping and you did. Then i paid the paypal fee too, which on top of the conversion fee ended up costing me around $80.
This is why I said to let me know what you want for shipping. You cant just go changing things now... I can't afford more than that anyways, was already more than I thought with the fees but I bit the bullet anyways.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:59 am
by Sekai
Well, I'm disqualified for the First Class shipping because of the weight. Like I said, I'm heading out to the post office tomorrow to get the actual shipping cost. According to USPS/Fedex/UPS, the cheapest shipping will be is around 25 bucks for the size of the box I'm using, but we'll see. The box I'm using is as small as possible as I could manage with the amount of cards I'm sending plus bubblewrapping around the outside. If shipping is 15 bucks, I have no problem sending out, but if it's 25 or more than that, then we're going to have to work something out.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:53 am
by opuswild
Hoping you're still shipping tomorrow... That was the deal after all. Also the size is usually the biggest determining factor. Weight doesnt matter quite as much (I worked for fedex for a few years).
Let me know what happens. Thanks.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:44 am
by Sekai
The box is actually way heavier than I anticipated, going to go up to see how cheaply I can ship it tomorrow, but it's actually 5 pounds instead of 2 like I guestimated.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:08 pm
by Sekai
Yessir!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:03 pm
by opuswild
Money has been sent - please let me know once you've send the cards and provide tracking.
Again my info is:
***OMITTED***
Thanks a lot Nicolas!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:38 pm
by Sekai
There's a couple dual stones in there. White/Green, I think.
I'm planning on shipping out tomorrow morning, yes. As far as tracking, I think the Customs number works as a tracking number for US to Canada, but not sure.
My paypal is <Temporarily removed by staff>
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:06 pm
by opuswild
Oops - should have said Dual Stones haha - force of habit!
But yes, please confirm, I'll send the money soon thereafter. Thanks.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:56 pm
by opuswild
100% interested. If you can ensure that you ship sooner rather than later with tracking number, I can send the money right now.
Also I was wondering, are there any dual lands with these cards, or any cheshire cats?
Regardless - if you can provide tracking and ship by tomorrow, I'll send the money now.
Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:29 pm
by Sekai
Hey bud, you still planning on picking this up? I have another person interested in buying it as well, just waiting to get money from you.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:09 am
by Sekai
Works fine by me!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:08 am
by opuswild
Okay then, I'll send you the money tomorrow then and you can ship Thursday? Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:05 am
by Sekai
Thursday morning probably?
<temporarily removed by staff>
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:05 am
by opuswild
So $55 USD? That works for me! Whats your paypal?
Also, when can you ship?
Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:00 am
by Sekai
They are in great condition, there are two Rezzards in there that are in played condition, but nothing worse than played. Uhh. As far as shipping to Canada, I'm not too sure how cheap I can get it. Probably be about 15 bucks so add on an extra ten?
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:52 am
by opuswild
Beautiful! So theyre in good condition then? Seems like they are from the pics.
If so, I'd love to buy them. Im in Canada but can pay the difference in shipping of course.
Do you have a list by chance? I can send you money asap just let me know what you'd like including shipping.
My address is:
***OMITTED***
Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:31 am
by Sekai
All of the cards in the lot are tournament viable, actually!
https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=57AECEAD
All those are commons and uncommons,
and
https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=57A97253
Rares, Super Rares, foils, etc.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:15 am
by opuswild
Hey there is this still available? Are any of the cards still legal for tournies? Condition? Very interested! Thanks!
Since he was in the USA and I was in Canada, I asked him to set a price including shipping since shipping would be more to Canada, which he did - $55 USD.
Once we had confirmed the details, I sent Nicolas the money and he said he would ship the following day.
Later on, he messaged me saying that shipping is more than he expected and if he is to ship it to me, he would need more money.
I refused to send him more money after the deal had already been made (which would include me paying conversion/paypal fees a second time). At this point he decided to cancel the deal and refund the money, which still ended up in me losing money on the conversion fee (not much, but still - losing money for nothing is not exactly ideal).
Then, to top it off, he gave me a bad reference saying that it was ME that backed out of the deal.
Do not deal with this person. Terrible ordeal.
*****MESSAGE LOG FOLLOWS*****
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:41 am
by opuswild
I was not unwilling. I let you set costs. I paid them. You wanted more money - that's not how trades here work.
I just saw you did a refund. That's fine. I still paid out the pypal conversion cost though so I still lost a few bucks for nothing.
If you think this is a fail trade due to my actions, then your perspective is highly skewed.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:34 am
by Sekai
I issued you a refund of the money I received.
You are unwilling to work out a deal that doesn't leave me screwed.
Been trading her for forever with very few issues, and you are one sketch individual. Not quite sure what fees you paid, since it appears you sent the money as a gift. I didn't ask you to send money as gift, nor did I ask you to cover any 'fees', that was your decision. Anyways, good luck. It's unfortunate you were unwilling to work something out.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:30 am
by opuswild
I am unwilling? Kidding me? So you've sent me my $80 CAD back then correct? Because I am not eating fees and being happy about it.
If you're backing out now, Im definitely reporting this as a bad trade. You confirmed the trade, and I let YOU set the shipping cost, and now you're backing out because you decided to check costs afterwards and want me to give you more money and pay more fees? That is ludicrous.
You better have at least sent enough to cover my costs. Because that's just ridiculous man.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:16 am
by Sekai
Refund sent. Sorry you are unwilling to work this out.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:14 am
by opuswild
Im not paying more than I already have on this. I said to name a price for shipping and you did. Then i paid the paypal fee too, which on top of the conversion fee ended up costing me around $80.
This is why I said to let me know what you want for shipping. You cant just go changing things now... I can't afford more than that anyways, was already more than I thought with the fees but I bit the bullet anyways.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:59 am
by Sekai
Well, I'm disqualified for the First Class shipping because of the weight. Like I said, I'm heading out to the post office tomorrow to get the actual shipping cost. According to USPS/Fedex/UPS, the cheapest shipping will be is around 25 bucks for the size of the box I'm using, but we'll see. The box I'm using is as small as possible as I could manage with the amount of cards I'm sending plus bubblewrapping around the outside. If shipping is 15 bucks, I have no problem sending out, but if it's 25 or more than that, then we're going to have to work something out.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:53 am
by opuswild
Hoping you're still shipping tomorrow... That was the deal after all. Also the size is usually the biggest determining factor. Weight doesnt matter quite as much (I worked for fedex for a few years).
Let me know what happens. Thanks.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:44 am
by Sekai
The box is actually way heavier than I anticipated, going to go up to see how cheaply I can ship it tomorrow, but it's actually 5 pounds instead of 2 like I guestimated.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:08 pm
by Sekai
Yessir!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:03 pm
by opuswild
Money has been sent - please let me know once you've send the cards and provide tracking.
Again my info is:
***OMITTED***
Thanks a lot Nicolas!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:38 pm
by Sekai
There's a couple dual stones in there. White/Green, I think.
I'm planning on shipping out tomorrow morning, yes. As far as tracking, I think the Customs number works as a tracking number for US to Canada, but not sure.
My paypal is <Temporarily removed by staff>
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:06 pm
by opuswild
Oops - should have said Dual Stones haha - force of habit!
But yes, please confirm, I'll send the money soon thereafter. Thanks.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:56 pm
by opuswild
100% interested. If you can ensure that you ship sooner rather than later with tracking number, I can send the money right now.
Also I was wondering, are there any dual lands with these cards, or any cheshire cats?
Regardless - if you can provide tracking and ship by tomorrow, I'll send the money now.
Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:29 pm
by Sekai
Hey bud, you still planning on picking this up? I have another person interested in buying it as well, just waiting to get money from you.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:09 am
by Sekai
Works fine by me!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:08 am
by opuswild
Okay then, I'll send you the money tomorrow then and you can ship Thursday? Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:05 am
by Sekai
Thursday morning probably?
<temporarily removed by staff>
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:05 am
by opuswild
So $55 USD? That works for me! Whats your paypal?
Also, when can you ship?
Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:00 am
by Sekai
They are in great condition, there are two Rezzards in there that are in played condition, but nothing worse than played. Uhh. As far as shipping to Canada, I'm not too sure how cheap I can get it. Probably be about 15 bucks so add on an extra ten?
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:52 am
by opuswild
Beautiful! So theyre in good condition then? Seems like they are from the pics.
If so, I'd love to buy them. Im in Canada but can pay the difference in shipping of course.
Do you have a list by chance? I can send you money asap just let me know what you'd like including shipping.
My address is:
***OMITTED***
Thanks!
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:31 am
by Sekai
All of the cards in the lot are tournament viable, actually!
https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=57AECEAD
All those are commons and uncommons,
and
https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=57A97253
Rares, Super Rares, foils, etc.
Re: H: Force of Will Collection, W: Paypal
Sent: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:15 am
by opuswild
Hey there is this still available? Are any of the cards still legal for tournies? Condition? Very interested! Thanks!