Saw this reddit post today:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Miniswap/comme ... s_w_to_be/
The general agreement of interpretation is that PayPal will no longer provide assistance in peer to peer transactions, meaning we likely will not want to use it in our transactions
PayPal changes to terms
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Re: PayPal changes to terms
There's no real alternative for payment, though. Venmo and CashApp don't have payment protection either. We're right back in the days of sending money orders.
Personally I don't think I'll be doing much business through FB marketplace once this goes into effect. Here you have very dedicated and helpful admins as well as the feedback system. Outside of this site, though...there's nothing really protecting you.
Personally I don't think I'll be doing much business through FB marketplace once this goes into effect. Here you have very dedicated and helpful admins as well as the feedback system. Outside of this site, though...there's nothing really protecting you.
Re: PayPal changes to terms
The staff has seen this and we are discussing the changes while seeking more understanding on it all.
Once we understand the changes better, we may (or may not) adjust these new changes into a pinned post so the community can understand how this may (or may not) effect the members of Bartertown.
We strive to keep Bartertown safe and clean, and a part of that is a clear understanding how these changes may effect how our members go about trades.
The more we know, the more you all will know as well.
Thanks!
Ryan
Once we understand the changes better, we may (or may not) adjust these new changes into a pinned post so the community can understand how this may (or may not) effect the members of Bartertown.
We strive to keep Bartertown safe and clean, and a part of that is a clear understanding how these changes may effect how our members go about trades.
The more we know, the more you all will know as well.
Thanks!
Ryan
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Re: PayPal changes to terms
For those interested, I did receive an email from PayPal with a link to the Policy Updates: PayPal Policy Updates.
The specific point we're talking about is this one:
The specific point we're talking about is this one:
- We are excluding items intended for resale, including single item transactions or transactions that include multiple items, from reimbursement eligibility under our Purchase Protection Program.
- We are requiring that buyers attempt to resolve their issues directly with sellers prior to filing a claim with us in order to be eligible for reimbursement under our Purchase Protection Program.
- We are expanding our Seller Protection Program to include certain intangible goods and providing the terms and conditions with respect to the coverage of such intangible goods.
- We are adding payments made in respect of gold (in physical form or in exchange-traded form) to the list of ineligible items and transactions under our Seller Protection Policy.
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Re: PayPal changes to terms
Here is an appropriate exerpt from something I said in our Staff conversation about this:
Eric
This looks like it has the potential to be a mess across the entire intrawebz.I followed the link, and there are some potentially alarming things there. I know none of us work for PayPal, so consider any questions I ask to be rhetorical, though discussion of them is welcome:
I wonder what "Unauthorized" will mean.We are clarifying that our Seller Protection Program does not cover Unauthorized Transactions initiated in an environment not hosted by PayPal.
WE aren't hosted by PayPal. Technically, it's possible that eBay won't consider to be "hosted by PayPal." I guess it depends on how they quantify "hosted."
There's some potentially worrisome [redacted] there.
Emphasis mine.For “Significantly Not as Described” claims under our Seller Protection Program, we are clarifying that the item may not be returned to sellers or sellers may be required to accept the returned item and pay for the return shipping costs.
"May," or "Might?" There's a grammatical difference there.
Does this mean the buyer is being given permission ("May") to keep the item or to make the seller pay the return shipping costs?
Or are the putting in the possibility ("might") that the seller won't get the item back, or could have to pay return shipping if it's SNAD?
WTF does this even MEAN?We are excluding items intended for resale, including single item transactions or transactions that include multiple items, from reimbursement eligibility under our Purchase Protection Program.
If I buy something wholesale to sell on eBay at a markup.... IT IS INTENDED FOR RESALE!
So, the buyer won't be eligible, simply because it's intended for resale?
Whose intentions to they go by? What if I buy an army here with the intention if splitting it up for resale. Now, it's technically intended for resale, even if that's not what THEY mean by that.
Eric
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Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
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Re: PayPal changes to terms
One of the trading groups I’m in posted part of a conversation with a PayPal rep that said the policy change is designed to affect transactions between a distributor and a retailer. So if you’re an LGS owner and use PayPal to pay, say, Alliance, it wouldn’t be covered.
But there is another thread on these forums where someone posted their conversation and the person indicated that peer-to-peer transactions wouldn’t be covered.
Personally I don’t take much stock in PayPal’s customer service reps. I had a horrible experience just this month, and they’re clearly not giving a unified answer on this. I think they’ll need to put out an FAQ.
But there is another thread on these forums where someone posted their conversation and the person indicated that peer-to-peer transactions wouldn’t be covered.
Personally I don’t take much stock in PayPal’s customer service reps. I had a horrible experience just this month, and they’re clearly not giving a unified answer on this. I think they’ll need to put out an FAQ.
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Re: PayPal changes to terms
Agreed.
Seems like every time they put out a change to their rules, they have to FAQ it because they caused confusion.
PayPal is the GW of the payments industry. LOL
Eric
Seems like every time they put out a change to their rules, they have to FAQ it because they caused confusion.
PayPal is the GW of the payments industry. LOL
Eric
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Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Re: PayPal changes to terms
As far as I can tell, this only affects businesses buying items for resale and not sellers selling items that they purchased previously. So hurts people like me, but not general sellers/traders.
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