Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

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Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by MagickalMemories » Tue May 30, 2017 4:08 am

So, here we are.
Discuss away.

Here are the current points:
Regular infantry, 6mm inf./vehicle stands, 15mm inf. = 1pt.
Ogres, Ogrun, Trolls, terminators, Light Warjacks, 15mm Cavalry, 6mm large vehicles, defensive line = 2pts.
Cavalry, Bikers, 15mm tanks = 3pts
Heavy Warjacks, Manticores, Hellpit Abominations, Smallish Vehicles, carnifexes, 15mm Big Stuff, bastion = 5pts.
Medium Vehicle (Leman Russ, Eldar Falcon, Tau Devilfish, etc...) = 6 points
Large Vehicles (Land Raiders, Valkyries, Trygon, WM War Engines) = 8pts.
Very Large Model ( Baneblade, imperial knight, etc...)= 10pts
Really HUGE Stuff (Titan, Stompa, etc...) = case by case
My suggestion is to have 3 categories of base:
Simple
Standard
Complicated

You have a 40mm base with 3 or 4 scarabs on it? That qualifies as simple (unless you've done some CRAZY cool painting and/or base work on it)
Your standard Terminator or the like? That's standard.
Some resin 40K model that comes in a dozen parts with crazy small detail on it? Probably Complicated. A Standard model with an 'above and beyond" paint job would elevate to complicated, as well.

Then, multiple the points accordingly.

Simple = x.5 points
Standard = standard points
Complicated = x1.5 (or x2?) points

This allows us to keep the current point system in place that we all know, but allows each category to be altered accordingly.
Also, I think anything coming on a 32 mm base now should be counted the same as a 26mm base. In most cases, the models are the same (or similar) to their predecessors.

Thoughts? Other suggestions?

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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by spiralingcadaver » Tue May 30, 2017 5:40 am

The whole starting place of 1 point per... {15mm grunt on a 7mm base through 35mm hero on a display, but <40mm base} as the smallest unit used is not very flexible, and unfortunately anything that involves subjectivity seems to be a problem even when there's nothing at stake so a system around that seems like a poor starting point, too, especially when quality can decide score.

Honestly, the only reason I participated was because of any sense of community, not because I felt the scoring was fair. :-|
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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by kturock » Tue May 30, 2017 1:41 pm

Like I've pointed out several times. It should also go by models size, not base size.
CSM Terminatiors. I have 50+. They are all the old metal models on the old 25mm bases. They are bigger than standard, normal CSM or SM. Yet tehy get the same points.
Larger models should also get more points, depending on the complexity. Look at the Knights; Imperial vs Eldar. They get more than a Land Raider, but if you put super detail in the model, or the opposite if you just build and pant them plain; the points don't seem fair.

I painted Necrons a couple years back. The basic models are Primer/base coat and details and done. I felt that wasn't fair compared to others so I Primered, basecoated, washed detailed, drybrused and more details. About the same if not a slight bit more than marines.

The building contest uses the same points as the painting contest. I feel that should also be changed. The new starter sets have had almost snap tight models. Maybe 3-4 pieces to put together. Same for some of the models I've built for the board game. Compare them to most of the resin/finecast models that are 8-12 pieces. All are 1 point. Look at the Sterngaurd models. About a dozen parts. And that doesn't even cover converting or modifying the model with different parts, extra bits or putty.

What about magnetizing? Not only do you build more pieces, but you paint more pieces. I know I have several extra arms and weapons for my giant. Those are the same size as an infantry model.
Knights do also.
How are we going to figure points for building and painting those extra parts?


Just throwing ideas out for discussion. I think Eric's idea is a good start, but I thing the categories are a bit limited.
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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by MagickalMemories » Tue May 30, 2017 8:43 pm

I am in no way married to the idea I put forth. I just didn't want to start out the thread without having SOMETHING constructive in there.
Any ideas you guys have for scoring, toss it out here.
As for magnetizing, etc, kt... that's not really applicable for this thread. This one's about painting.

In the end, painting extra bits to swap out on models might just be a "good for you" endeavor. I mean, it's difficult enough to get a scoring guide on individual models; trying to decide points for bits seems daunting and beyond the scope of what this contest was created for.

Just a thought. I'm all ears.

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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by kturock » Tue May 30, 2017 9:29 pm

My point was/is, that the building contest pretty much clones the painting rules and points.

Some things will have to be worked out for painting and not building. Others vice versa. Converting a model and using putty is more of a build than paint issue.
Using terrain on bases is one or the other. It probably should be building.
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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by imp522 » Tue May 30, 2017 10:28 pm

1pt per model regardless of size :lol:

I mean this is just for fun right, so to me it dosent really matter. I just use the thread as a motivator to get off my but and paint something.
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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by kturock » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:59 am

It's been over 7 months and no answers. The basics of the painting contest are used for the building contest.

Both need to be revised.
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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by akum » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:07 am

1pt per millimeter of height, base to highest part of model, works for terrain or minis. Works for painting/building contests
1pt per magnet involved in model
Makes it easy :D

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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by MagickalMemories » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:55 am

akum wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:07 am
1pt per millimeter of height, base to highest part of model, works for terrain or minis. Works for painting/building contests
1pt per magnet involved in model
Makes it easy :D
Just shoot me now!
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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by 3eland » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:28 am

I plan on crushing you all this year anyway so you all might as well not bother showing up ;)
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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by 3eland » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:54 pm

We decide on any changes? Going to start up a post for 2018 painting if so.

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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by akum » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:28 pm

MagickalMemories wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:55 am
akum wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:07 am
1pt per millimeter of height, base to highest part of model, works for terrain or minis. Works for painting/building contests
1pt per magnet involved in model
Makes it easy :D
Just shoot me now!
LOL

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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by 3eland » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:29 am

Any volunteers to track the new thread before I do 'er up?

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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by 3eland » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:18 am

Put up this year's painting challenge. If we decide to change anything, I will addendum the rules and alter points to match.

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Re: Constructive discussion on 2018 Painting Contest points

Post by kturock » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:26 am

Same or the building contest.
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