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BTR: The_big_z - Resolved

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:16 pm

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A guy names Chris Zeigler, Aka Big Z on some trading sites, was paid to do a commission on a FW tau army. If you see any lots being sold with the following contents, please report this used to your mods and myself. A lawsuit has been filed and any further trading of these models, if a further act of fraud. Trade commission was started February 2016 and contact was lost late may. Anyone seen any of these models floating around should contact me and the moderators with any information they have.

He lives here and you should not send anything to this location is any user on any trading forum asks you to mail here.

Chris Zeigler
200 NE 109th St
Kansas city, MO 64155

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:30 pm

For some reason the IMG portion of my messages are going through. Here is the link to the images on Dakka.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/po ... 98210.page

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by MagickalMemories » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:25 pm

Is this for a trade that originated here on BT? If so, you need to read and follow the rules for posting a BTR.

If not... you still need to read and follow the rules for posting a BTR.

Please, do so IMMEDIATELY.

If this is not for a trade originated here, please reply with that info.

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I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:39 pm

Proof of Bartertown-based transaction:


scanned receipt (USPS, UPS, Fed-Ex, etc.), - LOST (transaction took place October 9th 2015 and couldnt be found in the emails)

emails with complete headers,

""""""""""""""Re: Need Pictures Soon

Okay. Thanks for keeping me in the loop!

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:16:22 AM
Subject: Re: Need Pictures Soon

Thank you for being so understanding! Yes that sounds like a very attainable date. I'll keep you updated.

Thanks again.

From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 06/13/2016 9:10 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Need Pictures Soon

Its okay man. Im just glad to hear back from you.
Let me know if theres something I can do. Does the final date of July 24th work for you?

Ben

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:03:05 AM
Subject: RE: Need Pictures Soon

Ben I am soooo sorry it's taken me this long to get back to you. It's been a rough few weeks. My family issues though aren't your problem though and this is strictly business, and on that end I've been failing and I apologize sincerely.

I'm going to need a touch more time, I won't lie I haven't touched a paint brush in a few weeks. My fiancee left me and I've been a bit of a wreck. To make up for the delay and the poor way I have handled this transaction on my end I would like to offer to finish the job and just call it even money wise. We'll figure out shipping/delivery as soon as it's done if that's cool. I still really want to deliver but we'll just have to see where it's at.

I know this commission has taken monumentally longer than anticipated and truthfully after my last year yours might be my last for a bit.

Sorry again for the delay.

-Chris
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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:41 pm

Models taken

9x FW Broadsides - rails/ missiles
Farsieght the Eight - Custom
50x Drones
FW Rvarna
3x Suits
3x5 Breachers
3x3 Stealths
1x hammerhead
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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by 3eland » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:11 pm

Where is the proof it originated from Bartertown?

It looks like 3 emails to me. No beginning, no end, just three random emails.

Do you have PM's from Bartertown? If not, why not? What is his name here? I searched both Chris Zeigler and Big Z and did not find anything.

3 emails two months ago does not show us anything.

We need more information. Please update us with everything.

Thanks,

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:04 pm

Here if proof that this originated on Btown

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Re: Tau army
Sent: Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:01 pm
by xSoulgrinderx

Chris,

I dont know if you still get on here, but I need you to contact me as soon s you can about the Tau commission. Please and thank you.

303-547-4232

Ben
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:42 pm
by The_big_z

That works out perfectly with my schedule.
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:23 pm
by xSoulgrinderx

Okay. Ill get those pics to you of the design ideas for the army. It looks like I would be able to send payment out the middle of the month along with the models provided we can come to terms with the details
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:07 pm
by The_big_z

Package shipped, should be there Saturday. Middle section is just light sponge chipping, green section is heavy sponge chipping and red section is hairspray chipping with mild rust effects. I didn't go through and finish the entire model, just did enough for you to get an idea.

Let me know what you think!
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:07 am
by The_big_z

Sounds good, I'll get this out today.
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:23 am
by xSoulgrinderx

Charles Allen

Personally i go by Ben
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:29 am
by The_big_z

What's your name so I can put it on this package?
Re: Tau army
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:27 pm
by The_big_z

Chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net
Re: Tau army
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:15 pm
by xSoulgrinderx

email?
Re: Tau army
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:05 am
by The_big_z

Absolutely please, I would love to see it.
Re: Tau army
Sent: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:19 am
by xSoulgrinderx

I really like the chipped effect on the Vindicators shield. I also have a serious drawing towards your Revnants grid sprayed shoulder/ wing details. Im looking for this type of effect on my tau. I have a tau compilation from which ive been drawing if you would like I can send you pictures to see what ive got in mind
Re: Tau army
Sent: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:09 pm
by The_big_z

Sounds good! I'm going to just grab some spare model parts (Gundam stuff) and paint em up for ya. No worries on returning it.

Have you looked through my Facebook page at all? And if yes did you see anything that grabbed your eye style or color wise?
Re: Tau army
Sent: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:28 pm
by xSoulgrinderx

3487 W 97th Ave Apt 27 Westminster CO 80031.

Would you be able to paint up something farsight themed? You have complete artistic freedom to change it up and instead of the boring ol' red n grey you could do Black and red, or Red and purple or whatever you feel like would work. If desired, you can send multiple of the same model (ill return all of these of course) to demonstrate your various schemes, techniques and styles.

Thoughts?
Re: Tau army
Sent: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:48 pm
by The_big_z

I got your message this morning but my phone is being a spaz. Yeah I can absolutely send you something out. I'll find a spare model and paint it up real quick on Wednesday probably. Shoot me your address and I'll make it happen.
Re: Tau army
Sent: Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:31 am
by The_big_z

I tell texted you, did you get it?
Re: Tau army
Sent: Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:44 am
by xSoulgrinderx

Bare to the bone. They are assembled and magnetized. Nothing else. No primer or anything. Also here is my number if you wish to text instead of B town communication


303-547-4232
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:24 pm
by The_big_z

Okay last question, are the models already cleaned /assembled or nib and do they have any sort of paint /primer on them already?
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:21 pm
by xSoulgrinderx

Mostly showcase for the eight and the Rvarna. The broadsides and the rest can be inbetween showcase and tabletop/
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:32 pm
by The_big_z

I typically charge per model but I can work within a budget. What level of paint are you expecting? Showcase, tabletop, somewhere in between?
Re: Tau army
Sent: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:13 am
by xSoulgrinderx

Do you charge by models or by project?

I have the following I need painted: Budget is about 600-1200$


R-varna
2x Riptides - w/ magnetized options
9x FW broadsides
1x Regular Broadside
Custom built - The Eight (7 models minus the riptide mentioned above)
7x Stealth suits
50x Drones
1x hammerhead
10x pathfinders
1x Ageis Line w/ quad gun (non gw stuff)

Everything has custom resin bases so no flocking or basing is needed. Just paint.
Tau army
Sent: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:44 am
by The_big_z

Hi there, my name is Chris Zeigler and I am a painter. I have quite a few years experience with weathering effects including chipping. You can see samples of my work on Facebook on my page Paint Monkey Miniature Painting.

Feel free to contact me via text at 816-548-7783 if that is easier.

Here is a sample of a model I painted using chipping techniques Image

Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.
-Chris
Top


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Here are the next series of emails details our pricing.


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Hey man, not wanting to pester you at all, I just wanted to check in with you one last time and see if this was something you were still interested in doing? If not no worries, just trying to plan out my next couple of months on commissions.

Thanks,
Chris



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-------- Original message --------
From: benallen1024 <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/12/2015 10:17 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

I have found a mthod and I'll get back to you tommorrow if all goes as well



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-------- Original message --------
From: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 09/11/2015 2:26 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Wow weird. Well do we need video? You can just call me or take pictures and text it to me. We can old school this *edit*. Well, sorta old school....



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/11/2015 2:58 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Its skype. They demand a webcam since they cant be apart of the micrsoft family. *edit* lame.

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 1:38:36 PM
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Fun fun! Gotta love technology. I swear I might go to an iPhone just for facetime

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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/11/2015 1:31 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Trying to call but its not working.... *edit* had to download everything skype realted, make new emails and accounts again and its not working. This is insane.

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 10:23:07 AM
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Are you cst or mountain?



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/11/2015 10:35 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Sorry again for the delay. That was pretty lame of me. Will you have approx 15-20 min today around 12:15 this afternoon?

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "benallen1024" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:50:07 PM
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Chriszeigler75 is my Skype name



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-------- Original message --------
From: benallen1024 <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/10/2015 9:29 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Sorry I had something come up tonight. I would like to do 7. But that window closed rather quickly.



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-------- Original message --------
From: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 09/10/2015 7:24 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

What time tonight are you thinking?



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/09/2015 8:58 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Are we not doing this thursday? That would be much better for me.

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "benallen1024" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:29:39 PM
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Still up for Skype tonight?



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-------- Original message --------
From: benallen1024 <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/04/2015 5:39 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

I was.going towards one base theme for them all. I don't think that mixing the bases would be a good idea. If they all were in a flooded city that would be an interesting contrast



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-------- Original message --------
From: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 09/04/2015 3:19 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: benallen1024 <benallen1024@q.com>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Absolutely. I am all about communication. Skype, phone, whatever. I'm an artist but at the same time this is my business. I want you 100% happy when I ship these back to you.

So, here's an idea. Maybe have different bases reflect being in different parts of the city (maybe this is what you were already saying). Some with fire, some with water, some with sand and whatnot. That could be really cool and add a ton of visual interest to the army while still being uniform on the actual models.



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-------- Original message --------
From: benallen1024 <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/04/2015 3:07 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

I appreciate talking so much. It's a lot of money to drop so I like to be sure we cover all possible le angles



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-------- Original message --------
From: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 09/04/2015 2:00 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Gotcha. I'll play around with them once I have em painted up. Probably use dry pigments on top of the gravel to give a nice dusty, worn down feeling to the cityscape. Maybe a touch of dead grass used very sparingly to look like it's growing on top of the ruins. The old and busted will contrast a ton vs the new hotness of your Tau.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/04/2015 2:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

With the basing, the gravel has to be laid, as the 3d printed support material I used is just acting as a base cencept. Rocks, sand, debris and other stuff needs to be piles neatly in corners to give these guys the look of moving through a ruined imperial city. Again, basing is completely up to you. But I think it should contrast against the black red and green dark colours.

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "benallen1024" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 11:59:07 PM
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Very nice! I dig your basing. That's gonna look great!



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-------- Original message --------
From: benallen1024 <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/03/2015 9:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Here are some sample pics of the tau I made



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-------- Original message --------
From: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 09/03/2015 6:47 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

Ha! I love it. That would be funny. Black, red and white with a little bit of green as an accent color here and there for really small details. Dude that would look slick. I can do the hex pattern on the black /dark grey and the red here and there. I am liking this a lot.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/03/2015 7:08 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tau Concept

I had an old friend who was going to do grey and orange. Cool concept, but I dont think its for me. The black and green does look sinister, but it would be cool if we could incorporate Farsight Red into there. Maybe make SS tau. Hahaaaaaaaaaaaa. damn ... now that I think about it. Nazi tau seems rude as hell and would look evil if done right.

Black and green might be a way to go. But dam... the whole Nazi Tau seems hilarious concept wise.

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:55:29 PM
Subject: RE: Tau Concept

The barrel thing is super easy, no problems there and yeah that's just enamel sponge chipping. I can do that no problem and you will see an example of that on the sample I sent you. The hex pattern again is cake.

Honestly I think all we really need is a decision on paint scheme and this is good to go.

I'm a huge fan of grey and orange, it always looks great and I haven't seen Tau done in that scheme yet. I am going to end up doing my own army for Warmachine (Retribution of scyrah) in this same scheme eventually.

Super dark grey/black and green looks straight up sinister on the table and I could do some really cool OSL effects to make them look seriously evil.

Tan and red or tan and blue are a touch more traditional but look great together. Purple and light blue are totally non traditional but is a huge attention getter on the table.

I attached a picture but not sure how great those colors are going to look in it. Just a quick something thrown together to see if any of it grabs your attention.

Z



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 09/03/2015 6:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Tau Concept

The first pic has a hex grid shield look that i find very visually appealing.

Second pic shows weathering

3+4 pic are chipping examples

and the 5th pic is how im looking for my barrels to come out. Pretty much that burnt chrome/ titanium look

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Everything before this is lost in my box somehow. including a paint scheme document I made a long time ago for him.

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:06 pm

Here are a few of the email attempts to reach him over the long time period.

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Hi Ben! Sorry man its been stupid hectic on my end. I ended up moving this week. It's only a few miles from where I was but I had to break down my old studio and I'm in the process of getting it all set back up. I'm hoping to have some pictures ready for you in a week or so. I apologize for the lack of communication, it's just been nuts with moving and the holidays and all that.

I didn't disappear or anything, promise!

-Chris



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 12/16/2015 4:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Checking In

Hey Chris,

I was wondering how things were going? Its been pretty quiet since we last spoke about a month ago.

Ben



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Perfect! That shouldn't be a problem at all.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 12/31/2015 10:38 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Check In - Tau Commission

Thats fine. As long as its around the second week of Feb we should be okay. You can take your time, there is no rush. Just itching to get a sneaky peek.

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 9:36:34 AM
Subject: RE: Check In - Tau Commission

Howdy Ben, move went smoothish lol. About as smooth as a move can go. Holidays kicked my butt all over the place and my painting time has been several hurt. I figured the total time frame for your commission around 5-6 weeks total but between moving, the holidays and just how many damn models there are I'm obviously gonna have to stretch that a touch. My guess right now would be end of the month (being January, not today lol). I am going to try to have it done before that but I don't want to rush it either. I'm picky and I want them to look badass.

Sorry it taking so long, I had a commission I had to finish up before I could start on yours, had to move and then Christmas and all that. I'm not a fan of excuses but man I've had it stacked against me at the moment.

I'll be home on the 2nd and I'll get you a pic :) Have a great new years and again I apologize for the delay, I'll make sure it's worth it.

-Chris



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 12/31/2015 10:14 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Check In - Tau Commission

Hi Chris,

I hope the move went smoothly and the painting easy. Have a pic by chance? =]

I was wondering what kind of time frame we are looking at for the commission?

Ben

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:23 pm

This is an email of my final attempt to get into contact with him before i attempt to use legal matters to settle this.


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No worries at all and I am super sorry I had crappy communication. The holidays were just nuts and the move was incredibly unexpected, my lease was up and my landlord decided he was going to sell the house and gave us 2 weeks notice to vacate. Really uncool. Luckily we were able to find another place close by that worked but it was a total shock to us right before Christmas! During the move my best friend left the back of the moving truck open... All of your stuff was completely fine, I had brought it over in the back of my car days earlier, but a GW case full of painted Bones 1 miniatures I had just completed for a client was lost. I had literally just finished painting ALL of the Bones 1 Kickstarter for a guy and I lost 24 models after I had painted them and the money for those models was going to pay for my kids Christmas presents!

So, I got all those reordered, my customer was super cool about it and I got those repainted for him. Christmas was saved, happily ever after. Now last week my aunt dies so my mom was a wreck and right now my step dad is in ICU with a bleeding ulcer and he almost died. It has seriously been 1 thing after another and I am traditionally a drama free guy living a quiet peaceful life, so all of this out of nowhere really caught me off guard!

I apologize for the overshare and I totally realize that none of this is an excuse for me not taking a few minutes to snap some pictures. I've just been really distracted and keep getting pulled out of my studio for life stuff.

Things appear to be calming down (fingers crossed) and I plan on kicking ass on your commission and getting your faith back. I haven't had a disappointed customer yet and I hope you aren't my first.

My new address is:

200 ne 109th St
Kansas city, MO 64155

It's only about 5 miles from where I lived when you sent me the models. Oh! While I am thinking about it we need to figure out a plan of attack for getting all of this back to you in immaculate condition. Quite a few of your models were broken here and there when they arrived, mainly ankles and little pieces popped off, and I want to make sure absolutely none of that happens on the way back. Hell I might just drive them out there, I want to go hiking anyways.

Thanks for the email back and again I apologize,

Chris



Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 01/27/2016 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Check In - Tau Commission

Chris,

I appreciate the quick reply. I figured that something had come up, just didnt know what to expect. I apologize for the previous email.

I hope you see why I got frustrated. I didn't mean to blow up on you, but I did need you to provide some pics when you said you would several times. I just needed to know someone didnt just run off with my models. After hearing you had moved, I was kinda unnerved at first that you had moved away with the army, but let it slide. As several weeks of asking for pics passed, and nothing coming of it, I began to assume the worst that I was being dragged around.

Again, I dont mind waiting, as you still have till the end of Feburary to complete the task, I am totally fine with having a few small orders come in to secure your future painting business, again, I just wanted to know whats going on when every time I asked for pics and I didnt get anything.

I am sorry for your troubles and to make a mess of this. Thank you for understanding.


Ben




From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:36:55 PM
Subject: Re: Check In - Tau Commission

Dude I am super sorry. I'm at the hospital right now with my step dad but I'll get you some pics asap.

I knocked 25% off my normal price to get to the price point that you wanted with the understanding that I wasn't going to be able to knock it all out in one chunk and would have to work some other stuff in with it. It's a 4 week job and I can't live off $1200 a month. Hence the extended work period so I can fit in other stuff. I apologize if I didn't explain that better in the beginning but I swear if you went through our emails you would find that in there. I try to be as absolutely up front with people as I can.

Commission painting is a weird gig. If I just do what is in front of me at that moment I won't be in business long. I have to constantly have new work coming in and sometimes that means painting a demo piece for a collector so that when I am done with your Tau I have the next army on my door waiting to be painted. Also we had several gaps in communication from initial quote to the time it actually got shipped to me. During that time I had to take on other jobs to pay bills and I had to complete those before I could get started on yours.

Long story short, I am constantly juggling a ton of different things in order to make all my clients happy and still bring in enough money to keep the lights on. Add in stuff like holidays, family deaths and everything else that happens in life and unfortunately my juggling skills falter a little.

Regardless I do apologize for not having better communication in this process and I will do better going forward. I'll try to give you updates every few days to make you more comfortable with the process so that you know it's getting worked on.

Feel free to call me any time, if you don't have my number still it's 816-548-7783.

Thanks,
Chris


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-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 01/27/2016 1:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Check In - Tau Commission

Chris,

It has been over a week since our last communicae. I was hoping for a pic or two to ease my mind, but sadly, I have received no such good news from you. I am beginning to become very worried about this commission, as it has been 2 months, and no pictures or progress have been sent. There have been moves, commissions done before mine, and unexpected delays with little to no notice, and zero fulfillment of promised pics.

Taking another commission for money before completing one and telling your client isnt a very good business model. I already feel very slighted that there have been unexpected delays with no communications, and that I have to be the one to reach out to you every single time to see if youre still there.

Normally, I am very patient and with given proper heads up, leiniant, but this is erring on the side of shady. I haven't heard or seen anything from a commission worth 1200$ (800$ paid so far) and over 2500$ in models. This is my official notification, that if I do not receive some form of update or notification that this commission is actually happening, that I will be forced to legal action to settle this matter.

I was hesitant to send out such a big order at once, as the loss would be devastating financially. I apologize for any rudeness portrayed in this notification, but I hope you understand that from my side: the communication has been one sided, I haven't received any updates as to delays, and I am worried about being delayed or losing communication for so long I get robbed. If you are working hard away at this project then feel free to disregard this email, but do send me something to ease my mind.

Thank you again for your time and understanding of my position in this trade.


Cheers,
Ben Allen

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:05:49 AM
Subject: Re: Check In - Tau Commission


Oh no worries man, poke away. I'll get you some pics in the next couple of days. Honestly I hate shooting pics before I get models to a certain point of completion because they look like crap lol. I'll get you some though, I don't want to mess up which is which.


Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Ben Allen <benallen1024@q.com>
Date: 01/17/2016 11:45 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: chriszeigler <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Check In - Tau Commission

Sure. I took pics of everything in their formations before I sent them so I know what the full list looks like. Id be happy to answer any questions.

Sorry to have poke'd at ya again. Usually when I commission an artist I let them be. But at the beginning of the new year I heard mention of getting a few pics and hadn't, so figured I would check in again.

From: "chriszeigler" <chriszeigler@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ben Allen" <benallen1024@q.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:07:57 AM
Subject: Re: Check In - Tau Commission


Howdy Ben, I need to send you a pic here in the net couple of days to make sure I have all the FE models correct before I start doing all the details and weathering on them.

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by Byte » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:42 am

Have you contacted the Police, made a report? Also, with the post office. Wire fraud, mail fraud, failure to provide service(its a thing).
I buy and trade minis, that's what I do.
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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:01 pm

Byte wrote:Have you contacted the Police, made a report? Also, with the post office. Wire fraud, mail fraud, failure to provide service(its a thing).
Yes, and from what I found out, a Replievin lawsuit is what is next. (essentially failure to provide service) He still owes me 850$,

I got my models back at the threat of a lawsuit and police action, albiet, he totally shattered them into pieces. FW resin ball joints for broadsides are pretty much unfixable.

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by Byte » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:26 am

[Admin Edit] Stay on topic, please. No "something similar happened to be in a totally unrelated fashion" stories here. This thread should only be about this SPECIFIC issue. Thanks. [/Admin Edit]
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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by MagickalMemories » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:41 am

Sorry, but I have been out of touch for 2+ weeks. just now back home and online.
You said this WAS a B-Town initiated deal, Right? I'm wondering why you haven't left a negative reference, then. It sounds like you got pretty royally hosed on this one.

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by NuWishA » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:57 am

xSoulgrinderx wrote:
Yes, and from what I found out, a Replievin lawsuit is what is next. (essentially failure to provide service) He still owes me 850$,
Replevin gets you back personal property, not damages for breach of contract.

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Re: Large Tau FE Stolen Army: Keep an eye out for resale

Post by xSoulgrinderx » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:01 am

**UPDATE**

The artist has returned my models after a prolonged period without contact. We were able to regain communication and he is working to pay back the money owed from the comission deposit. Several hundred dollars are still owed.

The models have been returned, albeit, all of my then were crushed during shipping. This is up for dispute with the shipper, but with little more than a roll of toilet papers worth of packing, I'd say he could have done a better job packing them for return.

MODS, I kindly ask to have his address removed or blacked out or removed. His Brown id can stay.

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