Re: BTR - Gav99 [Scammer]
Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 11:37 pm
Apologies for the double post. It looked like it was giving me a preview instead of posting my message.
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@OP - If you are not satisfied with the deal then you can always send the models back. However, I do not believe he should pay you before doing so.Aeronautica Imperialis is a companion game to Epic, which emphasises battles between armies on a larger scale than Warhammer 40,000. [...]
Gameplay-wise, the major difference between Epic and Aeronautica Imperialis is that instead of a player moving and firing tanks and troops, they are using aircraft and ground defense weapons.
The Aeronautica Imperialis rulebook contains not only rules for the games, but also two sheets of cards which are used to make special manoeuvres. Other content in the rulebook is background material on the individual aircraft, along with full colour plates and suggestions for painting. At the end of the book, there is a 'campaign' section with scenarios for players to recreate.
I messaged him telling him i would agree to his terms of me shipping it back to him first once I had his agreement that he would give me a full refund. I have no reason to want to keep these minis I don't play EPIC and not until today did i even know that Aeronautica Imperialis even existed. I could've done that today on the way home, hell i could've done that immediately after he gave me his word on it, he has refused on what he believes i am 100% at fault but I disagree I know what I saw, I copy and pasted it directly to him as i saw it, and asked him several questions to make sure this deal was legit to the extend of my knowledge. I asked "is it really both of them for $40? or just one?" Thinking maybe he had a typo or if the deal was as good as it sounded. 75% off in bartertown is not unheard of.3eland wrote:I removed the double post for you.
Also some useful information regarding this BTR and AI:
@OP - If you are not satisfied with the deal then you can always send the models back. However, I do not believe he should pay you before doing so.Aeronautica Imperialis is a companion game to Epic, which emphasises battles between armies on a larger scale than Warhammer 40,000. [...]
Gameplay-wise, the major difference between Epic and Aeronautica Imperialis is that instead of a player moving and firing tanks and troops, they are using aircraft and ground defense weapons.
The Aeronautica Imperialis rulebook contains not only rules for the games, but also two sheets of cards which are used to make special manoeuvres. Other content in the rulebook is background material on the individual aircraft, along with full colour plates and suggestions for painting. At the end of the book, there is a 'campaign' section with scenarios for players to recreate.
Hardly nice. My response to this was based on the fact that you were saying I sent you an empty box and was stealing my AI minis. You didn't even bother to open the box and check, just assumed I scammed you.Akaiyou wrote:Dude you sent me an empty box that is *edit* up, I will report this as a scam.Gav99 wrote:No worries.
Send it via priority so can't imagine it'll take past Wednesday to arrive.
Had I seen or been sent that photo at any point i would've declined this deal right away. As you saw in his earlier message where he claimed I bought EPIC 40k Flyers, what he claim as his listing does not describe them as EPIC 40k flyers at any point. I don't even recall seeing the heading, I copy and pasted to him what I saw and was interested in and assumed these were STANDARD 40k models because that is the norm my first message to him supports this and he at no point made any effort to tell me otherwise. The section of the website that I was viewing when I found his listing was in the Warhammer 40k section. it was NOT the EPIC 40k section so for me to enter his listing and assume that models not described as EPIC 40K should be STANDARD miniatures is not a stretch. If you see a sign on a computer store APPLE $100, and the seller fails to let you know that you are buying fruits for $100 and not an actualRe: Oops! Was so eager i forgot to write my message!Sent: Thu May 21, 2015 2:57 pmFrom: Gav99(232)To: Akaiyou My original listing:__________________________________Aeronautica Imperialis___________________________________________Books:Aeronautica Imperialis Game Rulebook - Great condition $50Aeronautica Imperialis Game Rulebook - Great condition $50 (2nd copy)Tactica Aeronautica Expansion - Great Condition $50Ships (all real forgeworld and all come with AI bases):Eldar:2x Nightwing fighter - 1 primed black, 1 primed black with some paint (both missing the small fins) - $25Orks:2x Fighta - painted TT - $40Imperials:2x Thunderbolt fighter - TT painted thinly, so can be repainted/finished to higher standard - $402x Thunderbolt fighter - unpainted, assembled - $402x Lightning fighter - TT painted thinly, one has broken wing glued back on - $352x Lightning fighter - TT painted thinly, one is missing a tail fin - $30Here's a photo example of Aeronautica Imperialis minis:http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss19/yarrek/AE03.jpg
He has apparently declined that very reasonable resolution.Earlier he sent me the following:"disclose everything" includes letting me know what game system this is for. I don't think paypal will disagree with me on that.But that aside, perhaps I didn't understand your earlier response about the refund. If i ship this back to you today you will give me a full refund after I give you proof of shipment?Ultimately I just want my full refund today. I am not going to cover the expense you had in shipping it here, the same way that i won't ask you to cover the expense of me shipping it there.So full refund upon receipt of tracking # ? If those are your terms I can agree to that. Let me know.
I have screen shots of this conversation as proof. He claims I bought EPIC 40K flyers, but that was neither in his original listing nor disclosed in the conversation when I asked him for disclosure of any details i should know of regarding the item. When i later stated "I do not want EPIC miniatures" he then proceeds to tell me it is not EPIC, yet his own message says that they are. This is another message sent to me by him describing his listing which he now says is none related.You're claiming an empty box, yet you didn't even open it?You are correct, 12 40K flyers would NOT fit in that box. Good thing, because you bought EPIC 40K flyers. Check the original message and you will confirm that I sold you my EPIC 40K Aeronautica Imperialis flyers AS LISTED. Epic 40K is 6mm 40K so 12 flyers would fit into that box easily, with their associated Aeronautica Imperialis flight bases and stems.
Re: Oops! Was so eager i forgot to write my message!Sent: Thu May 21, 2015 2:57 pmFrom: Gav99(232)To: Akaiyou My original listing:__________________________________Aeronautica Imperialis___________________________________________Books:Aeronautica Imperialis G
I've pointed paypal to this thread so that they can see everything that's been said (as he's obviously trying to falsely prove that it's all my fault that he thought they were 40K flyers) and I welcome any and all comments from Btown users that can fairly contribute to show paypal how this should be settled.
2)Stop saying he misled you. Aeronautica Imperialis and 40K Aeronautica are different. If you paid ANY attention, you'd have noticed the extra word (Imperialis) and wondered WTF that was about. Instead, I believe you were blinded by your desire to jump on such a great deal before someone else snatched it out from under you.
"Flyers" is not universal to 40K. It is used in Aeronautica Imperialis, as well... and that isn't to mention the myriad OTHER games that use it.
YOUR lack of knowledge and research caused this issue. Period. Full stop.
If you say again in this thread that he misled you, you WILL receive a board warning. That is not a threat, it is fair warning.
3)Do not compare this to buying a car and getting a Hot Wheels again. It is more akin to buying a Hot Wheels, thinking you're getting a really awesome car, only to find out it's a die cast toy, the brand name you happen to never have heard of although you are known to play with die cast cars.
Your example is wrong. Stop bandying it about.
Stop misrepresenting this site in your PayPal claim. What you (an inexperienced trader) have convinced yourself that the particular trade forums are is quite wrong. Read the rules. Learn the rules. Follow the rules.
Time stamp here is 1:16 pm and all i said was you sent me an empty box wtf?? the exact same thing that I claimed to have said earlier in this thread that you then tried to miscontrue by omitting important things (would not be the first time you do this)Re: Oops! Was so eager i forgot to write my message!
Sent: Thu May 21, 2015 1:16 pm
by Akaiyou
Dude you sent me an empty box wtf? I'm reporting this.
That was your response to my message plenty threats and accusations to go around far more than you claim I did in my 1 sentence messages. The time stamp here is 2:28pm that means that I did not create a thread until 1 whole hour of bickering back and forth with you.Re: Oops! Was so eager i forgot to write my message!
Sent: Thu May 21, 2015 2:28 pm
by Gav99
Funny, very funny. I packed those minis in carefully wrapped decently in bubblewrap. I have a photo of the packed box (I always take one as proof) clearly showing the minis packed inside.
So either you're lying to scam me out of my minis and the payment, or you're suggesting that the mailman stole the minis out of the box whilst in transit. As the latter is VERY unlikely, I have to surmise that you're lying to try to scam me.
As such you've earned a negative ref and a bad trader report for your scam. Being as you only have 8 refs to my 230 (and one of yours is sketchy as is) it'll only prove my bad trader report on you and you'll never trade or buy here again. I know the admin like to get the local police involved on scams so I'll be looking into this option also. I have your full name, address (from 2 sources), and our written agreement.
Edit:
I was tempted to post one straight away due to being furious but after speaking with my wife, who talked me down from a rash response, I will give you until this evening to come clean about this and end the dispute. If you continue with this scam I'll be forced to go ahead with the aforementioned course of action.
Did you wait for me to get the minis delivered before you asked me to send payment? I sent payment promptly to all buyers (check my references) and even then I am asking you to provide the full refund AFTER i ship your items back to you, I even offered to RECORD and post a VIDEO as proof for you that your items were shipped and are in transit or will you further accuse me of being a video editing specialist and somehow cheat you out of your minis while they are in transit?Part 3 - You are still asking for the refund before I get the minis back.