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BTR: Disel24 - Resolved by Disel24

Post by zeronyne » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:27 am

I really, really did not want to do this.

Here is a quick synopsis:

I sent disel24 a sealed Space Marine Battleforce in exchange for 3 boxes of Grey Knights: 1 box of termies, and 2 PAGKs.

My package got there just fine. He acknowledges it in the threads below. He supposedly sends out the package to me and gives me a tracking number that doesn't work. After a while, he stops communicating.

As you read this, please keep in mind the following from someone who actually works at the USPS:

USPS can not trace anything with out a number.

USPS Postal Inspectors don't threaten, they either arrest you or not. No one else can make the decision.

It's possible that he talked to the postmaster, if it's a very small area/office.

True USPS doesn't pay anything without insurance, in which case a lost/damaged package is HIS RESPOSIBILITY.

Th part about shrinkage is BS. No USPS employee uses the term shrinkage. Theft, loss, damage, yes. Shrinkage, no.

Thats a term used in retail, not USPS.

If someone was arrested, they know what he stole and contacts the shippers/mailers. Items can be held as evidence, it is a legal proceeding. But, the senders are notified.


I will be beginning legal proceedings on Friday.
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e: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:54 pm
by disel24

I'm interested in the Battleforce mainly. I have a box of termies and two sets of GK. LMk

Subject: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc

zeronyne wrote:
I have:

Three Space Wolves Packs, all NOS.
One set of Guard, NOS.

One Space Marine Battleforce, sealed.


I'm looking for NOS Grey Knight Troops and Termies, plus a Dreadknight. Retail value to retail value. So if you bought a stack of GK boxes but then thought better of it, how about giving Space Wolves a try?

Note: this will be my fifth transaction on BTown, and I have always been able to EVENTUALLY conclude the transaction, but it has at times taken a great deal of extra time and effort on my part, so I'd like to make a simple request. Please do not respond to this post if you are not able or willing to make this transaction a priority, cannot provide a method to communicate well, or cannot empathize with someone who ships first and is awaiting your equally prompt action. It shouldn't take a month to ship something or find the tracking number in your call or check your voicemail.

Thanks.




Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:28 pm
by zeronyne

Hi,

I assume those are the current plastic GK troops and GK termies?

If so, you've got a deal.

Since the GK Termies and two sets of GK troops retail for six dollars more than the SM , I'm happy to send along a check for six bucks in the package. I will ship first. Please send me your address and phone number, and I will send the Battleforce with tracking on Tuesday.

Thanks very much!

Sam Rhee
xxxx Greenview Place
Crown Point, IN 46307
312.282.xxxx (cell)
Samrhee@aol.com




Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:23 pm
by disel24

Please don'T worry about six dollars lol

J.Diaz
235 larkspur ln
Lewiston, Id 83501





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:38 pm
by zeronyne

Ok, thanks. I may use the automated mailbox and just get it to the post office tomorrow.

I will send the tracking number as soon as I get it. Thanks!

Sam Rhee





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:18 pm
by zeronyne

Hi there,

The Battleforce is all boxed up and ready to go...I will ship it tomorrow before I go to work. Please send me a contact phone number in case there is a problem on either end. Thanks.

Mine are:
219-663-xxxx home
312-282-xxxx cell

Sam





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:36 am
by zeronyne

Hello,

I noticed that you had received my last PM. Could I please get your contact phone number? As you read in my original ad, I need to be careful when shipping first as I'm sure you would be. And, incidentally, could I get your first name as well?

Thanks very much. If I get this info today (Tuesday) I will ship it tonight. It's boxed up and ready to go.





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:10 pm
by disel24

I'm not in the custom of giving out my number to traders. However to help your fears I will do so in this instance.

360-991-[Admin Edit]

First name is Johnathan. Hopefully this helps. Please don't call unless needed. I work weird hours and sleep when possible. Thanks





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:00 pm
by zeronyne

Thanks. I will definitely not call unless all other avenues are exhausted.

I really appreciate it. I will send the tracking number tonight.

Sam





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:36 pm
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan,

The Battleforce been shipped. The tracking number is:
9505500005471249000183

Should be there by Friday.

I've attached a picture of the package. Thanks.

Sam
IMG00418-20110906-2150.jpg



Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:33 pm
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan,

tracking indicates that the Battleforce was delivered. I assume it arrived in good shape?

Thanks
Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:35 pm
by disel24

sam

I just got on to let you know that I got it lol Yes it's in perfect condition. I'm very impressed, thank you. I will be mailing out on Monday. I have relatives in town and I'm going to be busy for the weekend. But rest assured Monday it gets shipped. Thanks





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:03 am
by zeronyne

Monday would be great. Thanks!






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:02 pm
by disel24

Busy day for me today, completing three trades, including this one. All sent out

DC 0310 2640 0001 1503 6956

thank you for the trade. Have a good one





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:09 pm
by zeronyne

Awesome, thank you!





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:47 pm
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan, I don't mean to bug you again, but are you sure that you gave me the correct tracking number?

It's not showing in any system at all. In case you can't see the preceding posts, I've copied and pasted the number here that you gave me:

DC 0310 2640 0001 1503 6956

I'm not in any way worried about it's arrival. I would just like to know what day it's coming since they just leave it at my door.

Thanks!

Sam





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:58 pm
by disel24

No worries, seems like the postal office in my area has issues, not the first time in the last two weeks that the numbers for tracking have not down progress right away. Give it time is the best I can say, sorry man.





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:16 pm
by zeronyne

Ok, we'll see what happens. Thanks for your quick reply.






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:09 am
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan

Could you do me a favor and double check that DC number you sent me? It's still showing as unentered.

Thanks very much, I appreciate it.

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:37 am
by disel24

ok, I don't have it with me. I'll double check it tonight when I get home man. Hope that's okay.






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:55 am
by zeronyne

That's absolutely fine. Thanks much for taking the time.

Sam





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:40 pm
by disel24

03102640000115036956


there it is






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:14 pm
by zeronyne

That is so strange. This is what I get from the Post office website:

You entered: 03102640000115036956
Sorry, there's no information for that number. It may not be in our system yet; please check back later.

I guess we'll just see if it shows up this week. I've never seen this happen before. Weird.

Thanks for checking for me.


Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:33 pm
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan,

If the package doesn't arrive by Monday, would you be willing to inquire at the post office for me, or could you send me a clear picture of the receipt? I'm worried since the tracking number doesn't even show up in their database, and it's been pretty long for even a parcel post package.

Let me know. Thanks

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:50 pm
by disel24

Sam,

I will definitely inquire for you, keep me posted. I sent out central other things that day and they have all reached their destinations except this one. I'll dig through my pocket lint see if I still have the receipt, I'm not the kind that usually keeps them.






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:45 pm
by zeronyne

OK. I will let you know.

Thanks

Sam





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:07 pm
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan,

Well, sadly, the package did not arrive today. What worries me most is that unlike all the other Delivery Confirmation numbers I have gotten from people in the past, this one does not show up at USPS.com as valid. I'm guessing that they did something with the package at your post office, or they gave you the wrong confirmation number somehow. I hope you have the receipt.

Please let me know how we can track this down. I'm willing to provide as much help as you need. Obviously, if it shows up here, I will let you know immediately.

Thanks

Sam
312-282-xxxx





Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:16 pm
by disel24

Sam

I'm not thrilled with this turn of events... I am going to go to the Post on Monday and try to get some answers. I'm sorry man This isn't something that normally happens to me.






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:22 pm
by zeronyne

Johnathan,

I really appreciate your communication throughout this transaction. Hopefully this will be resolved without much more stress.

Thanks again,

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:16 pm
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan,

Any good news to report from the Post Office?

Let me know. I know you may have been busy at work.

Thanks

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:16 am
by disel24

Sam

Talked to the postmaster and they are putting a trace on the box to figure out what happened. She did inform me however that since there was no insurance the usps wouldn't be paying if the box was lost or stolen, seems they have had an issue with shrinkage in the last bit and neglected to tell the customers. I'll keep you posted.






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:24 pm
by zeronyne

Lovely. Gotta love the post office.

So you got a correct tracking number? If you could send it along, that would be great. At least we can look at it online.

Thanks

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:38 pm
by disel24

The tracer they are working off of has nothing to do with the tracking number sadly. It's some kind of inhouse thing, I'm supposed to touch base with her in a week see if she has anything. To me, that means that I'm touching base with her on Friday. The tracking number is right, that much is certain. The thinking is that someone has been skimming off the mail...a federal offense.






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:48 pm
by zeronyne

OK, thanks for keeping me in the loop. I will check back with you over the weekend. Thanks for your attention to the matter.

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:01 am
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan,

I just wanted to confirm with you that I have not received a package, so you can tell the Post Office personnel that the package is positively missing. Let me know what they say so we can figure out what to do about this.

I understand if you can't get there today...tomorrow or Monday is fine.

Thanks
Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:42 am
by zeronyne

Hi Johnathan,

Could you let me know what you found out from the post office? I'd like to resolve this issue so we can both get it off of our plates.

Thanks

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:10 pm
by disel24

Hey man-

I went away on business for a few days but I was in contact with the Post Office. At this time they're bringing a guy up on charges for misrepresentation and theft. Seems he was skimming off the mail for a bit and the knicked a handful of packages that weekend that I sent out. They explained to me that they're going to be doing the best they can but it could be a few months before anything is resolved :/






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:33 pm
by zeronyne

Well, if that's the case, then I think it would be best if you sent the Battleforce back to me. I am willing to reimburse you the cost of shipping it back with delivery confirmation up to twenty dollars (after I receive it, of course). Alternatively, you could Paypal me $90.00, which does not cover my shipping to you, but it does cover the cost of the Battleforce.

I understand and empathize with the fact that you will be saddled with this, but I hope you can see this from my point of view. I also asked a moderator for clarification, and I think these are the two most equitable solutions, especially since there is a small chance you will be reimbursed within a few months.

Please let me know which option you would like to exercise.

Thanks very much for your clear and prompt communications.

Sam






Re: H:SW, SM W:GK, misc
Sent: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:39 pm
by zeronyne

Johnathan,

It's been five weeks since the beginning of this transaction, and I think I've been pretty understanding. I didn't doubt your integrity at any time despite the fact that you gave me a tracking number that was never entered into the USPS system, you could not produce a shipping receipt, and your contact with the post office (and their replies to you) were atypical of USPS protocol. I still am not doubting your integrity.

But I must again request that you abide by the rules of barter town and the US Postal Service and remedy this unfinished transaction. In my previous message, I laid out two options that are acceptable to me. Frankly, I thought that those options were better for you than purchasing the Grey Knight boxes you owe me, which is essentially your obligation.

Please let me know by Tuesday how you plan to complete this transaction, or I will be forced to take additional measures. I'm sorry it has come to this, but I'm sure you would feel the same if someone owed you a hundred bucks worth of stuff and started to get slow on the responses.

Thank you,
Sam
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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by MagickalMemories » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:09 pm

This does not look good.

Sam (and anyone reading), for future reference, if they give you a DC#, but claim they can't find the receipt, ask for a copy of the Del. Conf. form. I mean, if they're not reading the DC# off of the receipt, SURELY they're reading it off of the form. Right?
Plus, if you take the package in to a clerk, the DC# will have a stamp on it, proving it's legit, rather than just a DC slip they picked up while they were there.

Lastly:

I edited out his phone #. We don't like those posted.
Please, post his complete address, however.

Thanks.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by zeronyne » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:51 pm

Thanks, MM. Although even if I had asked for the DC#, he would have already had my package, and I'd be in this boat.

And his address is three posts down:

J.Diaz
235 larkspur ln
Lewiston, Id 83501

I'm bummed because he had a few good references. And now I have to get other people involved.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by MagickalMemories » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:38 am

zeronyne wrote:Thanks, MM. Although even if I had asked for the DC#, he would have already had my package, and I'd be in this boat.

And his address is three posts down:

J.Diaz
235 larkspur ln
Lewiston, Id 83501

I'm bummed because he had a few good references. And now I have to get other people involved.
My bad.
You did a good job of getting all the info in here (and -THANK YOU- putting it in chronological order), but without the dividers between posts, I was thinking that was his address.

You're right that you'd be in this place, still, but it would be one more nail in his coffin.


Do you have an email address for him?

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by zeronyne » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:40 pm

Quick question. Should I report on my actions with the authorities here, or should I just post when it is finally resolved either way?

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by MagickalMemories » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:56 am

I say keep the thread up to date.
Just my opinion. No site requirement on it.


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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by xenoman » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:56 pm

I know this guy, personally. I don't frequent these sites but I know that he did/does. The reason for his disappearance isn't anything as 'sinister' as it appears. He had a mental breakdown. Literally. It has been a very tough year for him and it got to him.

These are the things that I know were going on for sure:
family went from 4 ppl to 6 with kids early this year.
had to move out of his place with his family and move into his mother in law's house
couldn't make ends meet
his father passed away on his birthday this year
he found out that his oldest has Asperger's.

It got to be too much for him and he cracked. He's currently hospitalized and it will be a little bit before he can get out again.

Did he send the figures that you are asking about? I don't know. It could be that he THOUGHT he did and didn't. However he wouldn't just NOT send you the figures. He's told me about some of the trades he's done on here that are worth a few hundred dollars each. I can't see him welching on something that's only 100 dollars, that seems a little out of place to me.

So if you feel the need to follow this through with the authorities go ahead BUT I wanted to let you know that what is going on isn't vicious, it isn't ill meaning and it isn't theft. The man has mental issues that come first.

Just thought you should know.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by Ollieb » Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:11 am

Joined today with one post here. Not saying it isn't true that your friend is in a mental hospital but this seems fishy. If someone at the PO was caught stealing packages I wonder if there would be a police report to back that up.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by kturock » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:09 am

As a postal employee, it usually makes the local news, at least in the paper if not on tv.

I've seen 2 people arrested in 24 years at USPS. 1 for stealing jewelry. 1 who was set up and took $$.
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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by porkuslime » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:56 am

zeronyne, has there been any movement on this?
2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.

If you don't have your Location listed in your User Control Panel, why not take a second and update it? It will let your trading partners know where you are from the beginning.

I use the Unofficial Porkuslime Trading Guidelines - if you have way less refs.. you ship first.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by zeronyne » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:05 pm

I have initiated a three prong effort.

I have a meeting with a local police detective on Monday. I am going to bring all of my records and file a charge.

I spoke with a Chicago Postal Inspector last week, but I need to follow up, as I was at work and could not get to the exact info.

And I am going to file in small claims court, but I need to see if I can do that prior to filing both the local and federal criminal complaints. I don't want to mess up protocol in any way.

Oh, and I had to put my dog down today, so I am motivated to gain some small bit of cosmic justice. This is not going to go away until I've exhausted all avenues or I suddenly see Grey Knights on my doorstep.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by disel24 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:43 pm

Hello-

first let me apologize to the community for allowing this to go this far, it was never my intention to appear disingenious or shady. I've been a happy member of this community for over a year and have handled some pretty big trade, most recently I traded a VC army that was pretty high in value to a newcomer, this happened in tandem with Z here.

Second, Zero I'm truly sorry that I have let you down the way that I have. My medical issues got in the way of being able to resolve this in a polite manner and I forced your hand into putting up a BTR. I don't fault you nor i do hold any grudge about it, I would have done the same in your situation.

Truth be told, Xeno (chantry) was nice enough to come on here and give a bare bones description. I lost it for a bit. There has been a ton of things going on in my life in the last six months and they finally caught up with me. i had to be put in for psychiatric evaluation and was in there longer than i thought i would be due to the fact that my medicines weren't giving me the type of relief that I needed. That was not something expected and the reason for my long silence.

I am going to be putting Zero's Battleforce box in the mail for him tomorrow morning and I give my apologies. I will be posting the DC here, on this thread when i have it so that everyone knows that it's on the way, when it's received and then Zero, if he's willing, can come on here and notify everyone that it's arrived and in the condition that he sent it.

Again, i'm truly sorry and humbled by all of this. I didn't want any of this to transpire.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by disel24 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:50 pm

And here is the delivery confirmation

03091830000236473973

I'm sending the battlebox BACK because I have lost the 2 GK boxes that I sent out (As in, the mail 'ate' them) This course was one of the two that Zero offered when we both figured out it would take a while for the GKs to get to him.

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by disel24 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:17 pm

And here's the update from USPS

You entered: 03091830000236473973

Your Item's Status
Your item was processed through our SPOKANE, WA 99224 facility on October 28, 2011 at 11:21 pm

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Re: BTR: Disel24

Post by disel24 » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:41 am

Your Label Number: 03091830000236473973

Your Item Status: Your item was delivered at 1:34 pm on October 31, 2011 in CROWN POINT, IN 46307.

I was true to my word, as I said none of this happened with malicious intent, being out of your mind with depression and being hospitalized for my safety and that of others was not on my game plan when this trade was happening.

Hopefully this BTR will be closed soon and zero will be kind enough to refund the negative feed back left to me.

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