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Poor Trader: El Guapo

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:43 pm
by BITZJUNKIE
Hi All,

I've read through the rules and I believe this will comply.

This is an unresolved sale betwen myself and El Guapo.

I hate to have to write something like this on someone here at BTown, but I thought I would warn others. I really do understand the seller's life changes and the money crunch associated with it, but how much effort does it take drop this into the mail after 3 months? And $20 bucks is $20 bucks ;).

I'll admit there is a gap or two - I deleted a couple emails early on to clear some room in my mailbox, then I started using the save feature ;).

I'll update as more communication is available, and, ultimately this sale is resolved and ITL has been left.


In A Nutshell~

February 15 or so:El Guapo (Jim) was selling me 10 painted imperial fists marines and I would send him $20. He couldn't take paypal, so I sent him an money order.

March 10: Money order returned (looks like it was half rained on), so I got a new one and sent the payment FedEx overnight to his place of business on March 10. Email replies become infrequent.

March 12: Jim recieves payment, but doesn't confirm it is there until the 19th.

End of March, beginning of April: Jim has moved, and then lost his job. Thus, communication is sporadic from then on.

April 7: I offer him 3 solutions: return my money, send the fists, or send something else of same value.

May 4: Said he's sending them, and asks for address again.

The last 3 messages are still in my outbox waiting to be delivered.



EMAILS:

From: El Guapo ( 4 )
To: BITZJUNKIE
Posted: 02/19/08
Subject: Re: Followup - Imperial fists sold!
BITZJUNKIE wrote:
Sure thing - I could send a money order to you. Drop me your address for payment and we should be good to go.



Rick


Excellent.

So, just to be clear......

You are sending me a Money Order for $20.00

I am sending you 10 Marines (do you want special weapons for 2 guys (if so, which weapons) or would you like a LasCannon or Missle Launcher for one of them?

Send the Money Order to:

ADDRESS BLANKED FOR PRIVACY





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 02/21/08
Subject: Update on Imp fists purchase
Hey Jim!

Just updating you on payment.

I will be sending you a money order friday morning of next week ( payday). Apologies, I had read the calendar incorrectly and projected this friday (tomorrow) for payment.

Drop me a line if we are still good to go... no worries tho’


Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 02/28/08
Subject: Hey - payment is on the way!
Hi El (er... Jim!)

I will be sending you a MO for $20 for the 10 imperial fists this weekend (March 1-2). Drop me a line when you get payment and when they are on the way?

Contact me by tomorrow 10 a.m (MST) if there are iny concerns. I’ll check email before I head out for the weekend.


Thanks again!
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.




From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 02/29/08
Subject: Hey Jim...
Hey Jim!

Drop me a line today if we’re still on for the sale? Just hadn’t received anything from you since then. Hope all is well


Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 03/10/08
Subject: MO update!
Hey Jim!

I got the MO back this weekend - returned in the mail .

I looked like it had been left in the rain (?). I will have to get a new MO today and will send it tomorrow overnighted via fedex if at all possible. Just lucky they got it back to me!

Let me know whan you receive it


Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 03/10/08
Subject: Re: MO update!
Hey Jim!

MO is on the way! FedEx tracking # is: 8585 3882 9360; shipped 2Day service. Just let me know when you get it .


Thanks again,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 03/10/08
Subject: Re: MO update!
Hey Jim,

Thanks for sending your addy again. i printed things out from the last time and pinned it to my BB here, but it always helps to have it again.

I just want to make sure it get there this time around , so I have NO problem sending it via fedex (letter) rate. It’s worth it to have some peace of mind this time.

I’ll opt to send it to your work instead.


Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 03/12/08
Subject: Re: MO update!
Thanks Jim - and sorry about the delay I just checked and it looks like it’s out for delivery this morning

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 03/18/08
Subject: Re: MO update!
Hey El!

Did everything get off in the post okay? Sorry, been in and out the last week and hoped I hadn’t missed an email.

Take care, TTYS,
Rick



El Guapo wrote:
BITZJUNKIE wrote:
Thanks Jim - and sorry about the delay I just checked and it looks like it’s out for delivery this morning


Cool by me. As soon as I get it and get home I will package the Marines and get them on their way.


_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 03/19/08
Subject: Re: MO update!
Thanks Jim - whew! All is good then. I thought I had missed them
I’ll let you know when they arrive.

Thanks again,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 03/26/08
Subject: Hey Jim!
Hey Jim!

Did the imperial fist squad leave last Thursday as planned?


Thanks,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.




From: El Guapo ( 4 )
To: BITZJUNKIE
Posted: 03/26/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
BITZJUNKIE wrote:
Hey Jim!

Did the imperial fist squad leave last Thursday as planned?


Thanks,
Rick


No, I have not been able to find the guns. I have two more boxes to go through and I KNOW that I have them and that they are in a ziplock baggie all nice and safe. I was out of town all weekend and Monday and Tuesday nights I didn’t get home until quite late.

I apologize for the delay (I was actually logging into BTown to mail you when I got this mail) and they WILL go out within the next 2 days. I have the troppers all set aside I just need to find the guns......I hate moving!





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 04/02/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
Hey man!!

Sorry about the late follow up with you - been out of town .

Thanks for checking in with me during the move... I remember moving conditions and they suck!! Drop me a line when they are out then?


Thanks - good luck in the new surroundings - hopefully it was a short move.


Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 04/03/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
Hey Jim!

Just checking in with you. Hope things have settled down for you and the move-in has been smooth.

Drop me a line when you can,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.



From: El Guapo ( 4 )
To: BITZJUNKIE
Posted: 04/06/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
BITZJUNKIE wrote:
Hey Jim!

Just checking in with you. Hope things have settled down for you and the move-in has been smooth.

Drop me a line when you can
Rick


Not really......it seems that the company that moved me down here for the job was hinged entirely upon a single contract (The Marion County Sheriff’s Department) and they just got hit with a 1.5 million dollar budget cut...so, our $880K contract went the way of the dodo and they laid me and 5 others off....what’s even more annoying is that I cannot find the damned bag of bolters and special weapons.....I have not forgotten you but things have been a bit pre0ccupied her this past week.

I can send you back the cash if you are tired of waiting.....I can certainly understand why you would be.

Cheers






From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 04/07/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
YIKES! You doing okay... considering?

Any chance you can move within the system to another area (kinda like a transfer)? I completely understand the frustation; I’ve been laid off before too , so it’s probably the LAST thing on your mind (for obvious reasons ) right now... but feel free to go one of these routes:

1. Send what you have at hand. I think I have a few bolters around here that I can use to fill in for now . Then drop the rest in the mail as you find them.

2. You could send other bits to fill the gap: Always looking for vehicles for any army, or any bitz for ‘nids, ‘crons, tau, sm, de, eldar...

3. If you’d rather reimburse me, I’m good with that too... LMK.


Good luck,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.




From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 04/15/08
Subject: Just following up...
Hey Jim!

I hadn’t seen any reply or shipment of the imperial fists yet, so get with me when you can. Good luck on the job hunt!

Good luck,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.






From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 05/01/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
Hey Jim!

I hate to bother you again, but I tried to contact you here at BTown recently... but to no avail .


We need to complete this transaction (or at least some communication concerning it) by Friday May 15, 2008.

I absolutely understand your current situation and thought my previous ideas concerning resolutions to this sale would have reached you by now. To reiterate them from my email of 04/07/08:


1. Send what you have at hand. I have a few bolters around here that I can use to fill in for now . Then drop the rest in the mail as you find them.

2. You could send other bits to fill the gap: Always looking for vehicles for any army, or any bitz for ‘nids, ‘crons, tau, sm, de, eldar...

3. If you’d rather reimburse me, I’m good with that too... LMK.


Please email me when you have a moment so we can figure something out together.


Thanks again,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: El Guapo ( 4 )
To: BITZJUNKIE
Posted: 05/04/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
Sorry for the delay but e-mail was down (money crunch sucks) and I have been spending a great deal of my waking moments looking for jobs that either do not require me to move or will assist with the relocation.....

I will send the models which need only the guns to complete them.....I have still not found the guns but I know that I have them....time for looking has been rather limited of late.

So, please send me the address again and we will get this ball rolling again. Thank you for your patience.

Jim





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 05/05/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
No problem Jim ... just wondering if things were relatively good for you still.

Just glad you got my message . It stayed in my inbox forever and I thought there was something wrong on this end - thanks for the reality check

It’ll be to this address:

ADDRESS BLANKED FOR PRIVACY

Again, thanks -
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 05/05/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
Hey Jim...

What field are you looking into? What location (state) and where (websites) are you looking? Two sets of eyes are better than one sometimes


Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: El Guapo ( 4 )
To: BITZJUNKIE
Posted: 05/10/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
BITZJUNKIE wrote:
Hey Jim...

What field are you looking into? What location (state) and where (websites) are you looking? Two sets of eyes are better than one sometimes


Rick


I have been working in the IT Support field for the past 12 years so I figure its my best bet. For the right position, I am open to relocation.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 05/20/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!


Just checking in - haven’t seen anything on this end yet. Drop me a line if it’s on the way?

Thanks man!
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.





From: BITZJUNKIE ( 22 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 05/27/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
Hey man,

Still not seen anything in the mail... can you send them by this friday (5/30)?


Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do.

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
IG: 3,000
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.




From: BITZJUNKIE ( 24 )
To: El Guapo
Posted: 05/29/08
Subject: Re: Hey Jim!
Hi Jim,

I’d like to try to settle this transaction by this Monday (6/1) at the latest and leave your ITL soon afterward. If we can’t settle by then, I’ll need to look into other avenues for replacements on the 10 imperial fists and for leaving your ITL.

Please drop me a line when it is in the mail?


Thanks again and keep me in the loop,
Rick

_________________
Lower rating ships first, please. Ship with delivery confirmation - I always do. Paypal preferred!

...on ebay as sages_of_the_ages (140+)

Eldar: 4,000+
Dark Eldar: 1,500
IG: 3,250
Necrons: 2,750
Orks: 1,500
SoB: 1,000
Tau: 2,000
Tyranids: 4,000+
UM, BT, DA & Imperial Fists: 1,750 ea.



That's it :shocked:. I have the actual FedEx invoice (and scan of same available) to show shipment, but cannot find the MO stub to save my life.

Jim, if you are online anytime soon:
I would still like to hold by my previous email: send the fists, send something of equal value, or send me an mo or a paypal payment 8) .



Thanks BTown,
Rick

Bad trader

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:49 pm
by just-josh
Wow :shocked:

You were more than supportive of his situation dude :) I understand his predicament, but he could at least drop the models into the mail, or return your MO :|

JJ

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:40 am
by insidius
Lemme guess, this guy's last name is Houston?

Jim Houston?

He used to go by Ichbod back in the day and I believe he has a record of such behavior here:


viewtopic.php?t=35289&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15


He sports the same email address, el.guapo07@gmail.com, as El Guapo does (imagine that).

I wouldn't count on getting this resolved, and we'll see about getting his account(s) banned. I would suggest contacting via email to conclude your trade if you still hold out hope for that.

He's already broken several rules, including but not limited to ripping you off.

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:10 pm
by MagickalMemories
...and, if he's still not responding, you need to follow (and COMPLETE) the links in Insidius' signature.

Eric

Follow-up

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:35 pm
by BITZJUNKIE
Thanks Eric.

I have emailed the gmail account just a few minutes ago with this:

Hey Jim!

I hope you get this message and are doing better now that the curve balls you've received in the last few months have straightened out ;).

As a final follow-up, can you tell me the tracking number for the imperial fists or if they were sent yet?


Thanks again for your time Jim,
Rick



I'll give it 24 hours, then proceed with both of the sig links.


Thanks guys,
Rick

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:55 pm
by insidius
Wow, don't be too hard on him there.

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:57 pm
by MagickalMemories
Bah.
Don't thank me.
'Sid did all the work.

I just reminded you is all.

I suggest letting him know about his previous rounds on Bartertown and advise him that he has "X" amount of time to return your money or the models you bought... I'd tell him he has to refund the money you spent to send him that money (and, I presume, buy a Money order).

If you paid ANY way other than cash, he's looking at Bank Fraud charges, as well.

Eric

Thanks 'Sid

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:25 pm
by BITZJUNKIE
LOL - I agree with you 'Sid... I'm just nice to a fault :roll: :lol: .

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:13 pm
by BITZJUNKIE
After giving it more than 24 hours and contacting him on his gmail account, nothing has changed.

I know nothing more will come of it, but I have filed complaints using both links on 'Sid's sig.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:15 am
by insidius
Sorry man :(

Some people are just douchebags.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:10 am
by MagickalMemories
I looked at your feedback history.
It looks as if you were a "0" rating when this trade started.

Now that you're at 24, I suggest VERY STRONGLY that you stick firmly to the first line in your current sig.


Eric

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:04 am
by Spire_182
Ya know, I've been beating my head why this guy sounded familiar. I just couldn't place it. I must be getting old. Or it could be one to many concussions when I was fighting on the kick-boxing circuit in Southeast Asia. Yeah, I like that :mrgreen:

I tracked him down before, I'll do it again.

Let's see:

Here's a My Space page.

He's in Florida now, that would be the Kingdom of Trimaris. Find the group closest to his address and contact that group's officers. That is how I got him to respond the last time he had a BTR here on the forums.

In his My Space Profile (last login 06/07/2008) he clams to be an officer of the Meridian Army. Contact those people too.

Be polite, explain what happened and place a link to this thread.

Again, disclaimer: Not all SCA members or US Army veterans are like this. We are generally really good people. Wait a minute, he's ex-Military Intelligence, well they are all pretty much like this then.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:36 am
by insidius
Hey, I'm ex-military intelligence. :P

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:49 am
by MagickalMemories
insidius:
B-Town Oxymoron

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:19 pm
by kturock
Spire_182 wrote:Ya know, I've been beating my head why this guy sounded familiar. I just couldn't place it. I must be getting old. Or it could be one to many concussions when I was fighting on the kick-boxing circuit in Southeast Asia. Yeah, I like that :mrgreen:

I tracked him down before, I'll do it again.

Let's see:

Here's a My Space page.

He's in Florida now, that would be the Kingdom of Trimaris. Find the group closest to his address and contact that group's officers. That is how I got him to respond the last time he had a BTR here on the forums.

In his My Space Profile (last login 06/07/2008) he clams to be an officer of the Meridian Army. Contact those people too.

Be polite, explain what happened and place a link to this thread.

Again, disclaimer: Not all SCA members or US Army veterans are like this. We are generally really good people. Wait a minute, he's ex-Military Intelligence, well they are all pretty much like this then.
do you have an area in florida? i'm in florida, and an ex-SCA'r. i still know some people in. if he's stealing on the net, chances are, he'll do it in person; if given the chance.